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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Jailminister, Nov 17, 2003.

  1. Baptist in Richmond

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    Ah yes: when all else fails, the simplistic mind resorts to personal attacks. Your juvenile contumely offers no support for your claim either.

    Once again, you make this statement yet again without any proof, and once again it does not lend any credence to your point. Again, show us utilizing the text of the opinion of the FCC ruling that approval has been given. This is like saying that an acquittal for the charge of murder leads one to the conclusion that there is NO OBJECTION to the crime of murder. That is the very essence of "false logic."

    I noticed that you made yet another reference the US Congressman, which of course was no shock.

    Once again, Jailminister: show us utilizing the text of the opinion of the FCC ruling that approval has been given. Despite your repeated claim, you have shown absolutely nothing. As long as you keep making your assertion I will continue to demand to see the proof.
     
  2. Ransom

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    Jailminister said:

    La la la la la I can't hear you la la la la la
     
  3. Dina

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    Perhaps, I am looking at this as too simple.

    The opening post was on Nov. 17th, it is now Dec 3rd, yet I watch TV almost every night and have yet to hear the "f" word. I would think if it was ok'd by the FCC there would be some shows that would be using that word quite regularly.
     
  4. Ransom

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    Right! The powers-that-be in the media realize that this particular ruling is the exception that proves the rule. Just because the FCC ruled that this particular usage of a four-letter expletive was not a violation, does not mean that any such usage would not be.

    The media, whom someone quite rightly (in my opinion) said would jump at the chance to push the envelope, nonetheless appears to know better than the AFA or Jailminister what they are allowed or not allowed to do.
     
  5. Jailminister

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    Time will tell, but I choose to exercise my right to protest in writung to the FCC of a bad rule they have made.

    Broadcast TV has already pushed the enveloped and won. Remember the nudity on NYPD blue. Very few said anything and now it has become more common. Remember when they let GD slide, now it is allowable and no one says squat. Using SOB at one time was not allowed, but is now common place. Bedroom scenes that were never allowed is common now. WHY? No one says anything. That was the point of this thread. Don't do anything and I guarantee Hollywood will push it.
     
  6. Baptist in Richmond

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    Bad rule?
    They did not make a rule. They simply made a decision on one particular show, on one particular night, about one particular statement.
     
  7. Servent

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    I am new to the board and dont wish to cause conflict, but I have to agree with jailminister. weather the FCC aproved the use of it or not they still allowed it this time and they will allow it again it's only a matter of time. Baptist in Richmond if Bono is a professing christian as you say he and others needs to read Col. 3.

    Servent
     
  8. Jailminister

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    Servant, Thanks. Please join the list to fight this ruling. Just use the link in the original posting to help in this.
     
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    Already taken care of.

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  10. LarryN

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    I haven't read through the whole thread, so I don't know if this has already been brought up- but both "Schindler's List" and "Saving Private Ryan" have previously been broadcast on network T.V. uncut. Both movies were of course therefore broadcast with the word in question used several times. They were rated TV-MA (intended for mature audiences only), but how many children saw these broadcasts? (Not that they're not already exposed to the language on cable T.V., on VHS or DVD, etc.)
     
  11. Jailminister

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    Larry as for as I know the F word was not used in the TV version of the movies in question.
     
  12. LarryN

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    Actually it was-

    I heard it on the network broadcast (N.B.C.?) of "S. L." myself. (I assumed the TV-MA rating was for the subject matter- depictions of brutality & violence).

    As for "Private Ryan", some of my co-workers commented on the fact after viewing the network broadcast.

    "Uncut" meant uncut, language and all.
     
  13. Baptist in Richmond

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    Greetings, and welcome to the board.
    Did you read the ruling, or are you relying on the postings of Jailminister for your information?
    They did not "allow" anything. The FCC simply said that they did not feel that any action was warranted in this particular case. The FCC did not make any law, nor did they give any approval for the use of the word. As I have stated to Jailminister many times, I would like to see the text in the ruling that gives approval to anything.

    That would be between Paul and God.
    I have sinned, therefore I cannot throw any stones.
    Remember: in Romans 3:23, "all" includes Paul as well......
     
  14. Jailminister

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    From the Atlantic Journal Constitutional:
    GUEST COLUMN
    Give f-word the OK? No bleeping way

    By SHAUNTI FELDHAHN


    This season, I was sure that prime-time network television had reached the bottom of the barrel. I was wrong.

    On Oct. 3, the Federal Communications Commission said it won't prohibit the airing of the f-word (or any other obscene language, for that matter) unless it's said in a sexual context.

    Forgive my crudeness (kids, stop reading now), but I think it's important that parents understand what this means. Any time of day or night your kids can now hear obscenities used as adjectives ("This is f-ing great!"), as insults ("You mother f-er!"), or as actual expletives ("F- you!"), among other things.

    Like some of these shows needed any more encouragement to plumb the depths.

    How did this happen? Well, October's ruling actually capped the FCC's long trend of defining itself out of the enforcement business. In January, the singer Bono used the f-word during the Golden Globes. A small slip, but the Parents Television Council has long been steamed that the FCC refuses to enforce the rules, so they filed a formal complaint. In response, the FCC's Enforcement Bureau made a formal ruling that such language may be offensive but, because it was not said sexually, it was "not within the scope of the commission's prohibition of indecent program content."

    That's like a traffic cop deciding that he's not going to enforce rules against drunken driving, and then telling a grieving widow that drunken driving is not within his scope.

    An FCC representative told me: "We focus only on the context of the language. There used to be a list of words you couldn't say on the air. But more than 10 years ago, the agency decided to switch to only prohibiting those words in certain contexts."

    I asked whether they monitor the airwaves at all. "No, we don't monitor. We wait until we get a complaint."

    If you have ever wondered how this obscene stuff gets onto network television, there's your answer. On the enforcement side, the FCC has drastically limited its own power, and on the monitoring side, it requires average citizens to do its job.

    "It's anarchy," said Laura Mahaney of the Parent Television Council. "It's like requiring me to buy a video camera and a radar gun and prove to the police that people are driving dangerously."

    Even when that proof is supplied, it doesn't matter. The FCC hasn't fined a television station in 25 years.

    "Regular network television is getting raunchier, the language more obscene, the situations more sexual," said the American Family Association's Randy Sharp. "Unlike cable stations, network television affiliates are licensed by the FCC to serve the public. The public airwaves are governed by stricter laws. For the FCC to say that vulgarity is okay in any context is appalling."

    This is not what Congress intended. The airways belong to the people, not to the broadcast networks, and their use is a privilege, not a right. If that privilege is abused it should be revoked. Americans are sick of lending out their public airways only to be barraged by vulgarity and soft porn. Save that stuff for cable.

    We have enough trouble protecting our children without being sabotaged by the very agency sworn to help us. We may now have an opportunity to reverse the trend.

    The full commission has agreed to hear this case on appeal, and Congress is starting to take note. Through OneMillionMoms.com and OneMillionDads.com you can ask your elected representatives to pressure the FCC. Because unless the FCC changes, nothing else will.
     
  15. Jailminister

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    Well, it has started now. Thank you FCC.
    F-word-filled 'South Park' film airs on TV
    'Most vile movie in history' provides holiday-weekend entertainment

    Posted: December 4, 2003
    5:00 p.m. Eastern

    By Ron Strom and Felicia Dionisio
    © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

    The 1999 movie "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut" has been aired on the "basic" cable network Comedy Central, bringing what one critic describes as "the most vile movie in history" to America's families for Thanksgiving weekend.

    Coming on the heels of the Federal Communication Commission's recent ruling that U2 singer Bono's utterance of the F-word on broadcast television did not violate the agency's standards, the airing of the film, which is based on the network's "South Park" television series, was enthusiastically promoted on Comedy Central's website:

    "The greatest movie of all time comes back to Comedy Central – and it's kick-a--! Uncensored and over-the-top – don't miss it!"




    A representative of the FCC mentioned the Bono ruling in an interview with WorldNetDaily. Margo Davenport, a senior legal adviser for the agency, explained the difference between rules governing broadcast television and those for cable channels. While most viewers expect profanity on premium pay channels, such as Showtime and HBO, the FCC also has a hands-off policy with other "basic" cable stations, Comedy Central being one.

    "The distinction is between broadcast stations and non-broadcast stations," Davenport said.

    She recalled an incident a year ago when the comedy network aired an episode of "South Park" that featured a counter on the bottom of the screen that kept track of the number of times a specific profanity was uttered.

    Davenport noted viewers can always get a TV with a V-chip or block specific channels to avoid vulgar cable programming.

    Although the FCC used to get regular complaints about Comedy Central, according to Davenport, that's not the case now.

    "Maybe nobody watches it anymore," she said.

    Ironically, the "South Park" movie features one scene where the character Dr. Vosknocker demonstrates a "V-chip" that has been installed in Cartman to get him to stop swearing:


    Dr. Vosknocker: Now, I want you to say "doggy."
    Cartman: Doggy.

    Dr. Vosknocker: [to audience] Notice that nothing happens. [to Cartman] Now, say "Montana."

    Cartman: Montana.

    Dr. Vosknocker: Good. Now, "pillow."

    Cartman: Pillow.

    Dr. Vosknocker: All right. Now I want you to say "horse f-----."

    Mrs. Cartman: Go on, honey. It's all right.

    Cartman: Horse fu– [gets shocked by the V-chip] That hurts, g-- d--- it! [gets shocked again]

    Dr. Vosknocker: Now I want you to say [expletive.]

    Cartman: No!

    Dr. Vosknocker: [to audience] Success! The child doesn't want to swear!

    Cartman: This isn't fair, you sons of bi– [gets shocked repeatedly].

    During the scene, which, like the entire film, is animated, placards with the vulgar words are held up for the viewers to see.

    Christian film reviewer Ted Baehr calls the film "the most vile movie in history." His review of the film points out the extreme number of profanities included in the dialogue, saying it is "anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-morality, intentionally immoral, with the most vile content in the history of mainstream moviemaking; 340 counted obscenities (there may be more that are muddled), 14 profanities and many disgusting bodily functions. …"

    Baehr says "mocking bigotry" is the hallmark of the film: "Canadians are vilified; Jews are belittled; God is also mocked and called a wimp, a faggot and worse; and, to top it off, African-Americans are called darkies and are used by the U.S. Army to shield the white troops, accompanied by dialogue telling everyone that this horrendous act is the Army's intent."

    Concluded Baehr, "The future of our society looks very dim after thinking what those children [who see the film] will do and how they will behave after this powerful entertainment virus corrupts their hearts and minds."

    As WorldNetDaily reported, the creators of the "South Park" series are the same people who developed a new show that was to debut in 2001 entitled, "That's My Bush," which would have included President George W. Bush's twin daughters Barbara and Jenna, being portrayed as a pair of "very hot and sexy" incestuous lesbians.

    Though last weekend's airing of the "South Park" movie occurred late in the evening, the show itself is played at various times throughout the world.

    "What's funny is where I am from [Quebec, Canada], 'South Park' has been translated into French and is on TV at 4 p.m. when kids get home from school," an Internet developer told WorldNetDaily. "My nephews were watching it."

    Comedy Central representatives failed to respond to several requests for comment.
     
  16. Baptist in Richmond

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    One more time, the FCC ruling did not say this. They issued a statement on one one particular case.
     
  17. Baptist Believer

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    The issue with South Park has nothing to do with the decision not to fine stations who rebroadcast the use of the f-word in the context of the awards show.

    The FCC does not control content on non-broadcast stations. Since you physically have to have a cable brought into your home or set up a satelite dish to receive Comedy Central (as well as pay for it if you do it legally), the FCC trusts parents and adults to manage the influence of these broadcasts.

    This column is trying to connect two unconnected situations and is irrelevant to our discussion.
     
  18. Jailminister

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    B in R, said
    Once again they ruled that the language is allowable.

    ALSO:
    House Committee, Members Holding FCC Accountable for 'Obscenity' Ruling
    Decision That Expletive Permitted on Airwaves Sparks Reactions on Capitol Hill
    By James L. Lambert and Jody Brown
    December 5, 2003

    (AgapePress) - Scores of elected officials in Congress are, in effect, calling the FCC on the carpet for its recent decision that use of the "f-word" over the public airwaves does not constitute indecency or obscenity. Representatives of the Federal Communication Commission met on Thursday with members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the federal agency, to discuss that issue.

    By its own order, FCC commissioners concluded on October 3 that use of the expletive during the Golden Globe Awards on January 19, 2003, by U2 lead singer Bono did "not violate obscenity or indecency law." The agency concluded by saying that it "does not have the power of censorship," thereby throwing back that responsibility on the broadcast networks and stations themselves.

    Despite complaints filed now by hundreds of thousands of Americans since the January broadcast, the Federal Communication Commission still defends its earlier decision to allow the use of the "f-word" on broadcast television and radio, provided it does "not describe sexual or excretory organs or activities." In a recent communiqué, the Commission contends that it "does not approve or condone the use of crude or offensive language in broadcast programming."

    The decision to reverse this time-honored standard of decency has outraged a number of leading Americans, including Rev. Jerry Falwell. On Thursday Falwell described the FCC's action as "yet another tumble down the slippery slope [of cultural depravity]. It is an expression of cowardice conveyed by the commissioners who are unwilling to protect the American family." Falwell further contends that "their decision is indefensible and every [FCC] commissioner knows it."

    Another pro-family leader upset about the FCC's decision is Rev. Donald Wildmon, chairman and founder of the American Family Association (AFA) and sponsor of the activist websites OneMillionDads.com and OneMillionMoms.com. Members of those groups are among the thousands who have filed formal complaints with the FCC concerning its ruling. Wildmon reports that FCC Commissioner Michael Copps "is in agreement with many of our concerns" and has agreed to meet with AFA representatives to discuss the matter.

    Two Letters from Congress
    As a result of the FCC's decision to deny the complaints, Congress has now entered into the debate. In a recent letter (PDF) to FCC chairman Michael Powell, 31 Republican congressmen have expressed their concern over the FCC's actions. Signatories to the November 21 letter are Representatives Joseph Pitts, Pete Hoekstra, J.D. Hayworth, Henry Brown, John Hostettler, Mike Pence, Mark Green, Jeff Miller, Pete Sessions, Jo Ann Davis, Mark Souder, Walter Jones, Jo Bonner, Jim DeMint, Mike Simpson, Sue Myrick, Steve King, Rob Bishop, Virgil Goode, Todd Akin, Gresham Barrett, Jim Ryan, John Boozman, Robin Hayes, David Weldon, Wally Herger, Michael Burgess, Duncan Hunter, Lee Terry, Tom Latham, and Tim Murphy.

    That letter expresses the officials' deep concern "that the FCC's response to this incident sends a poor message to the entertainment industry about the FCC's willingness to enforce standards for broadcast indecency."

    "The families that we represent are tired of having to cover their children's eyes and ears every time they turn on the television," the lawmakers state in the letter. "They are frustrated that the media industry has seemingly been given carte blanche to broadcast any type of behavior or speech that they feel will bring in advertising dollars. Meanwhile, they feel that the federal government has sided with media elites and turned a blind eye to the concerns of ordinary Moms and Dads."

    The FCC's decision did not go unnoticed by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the agency. In a different letter to Chairman Powell (also dated November 21, 2003), committee members acknowledge that the FCC must walk "a delicate line" when handling such complaints from the public -- but that the broadcast airwaves "are a public resource that parents expect to watch without exposing their children to gratuitous sexual, violent, or offensive content."

    In that letter, Congressman Billy Tauzin -- primary signatory to the letter and chairman of the Committee and Energy and Commerce -- requested a meeting with FCC staff no later than December 4 to discuss the agency's order and the issue of indecency. According to a spokesman for the Committee, that meeting did occur but no decision has been made regarding what the next step will be.

    Signers of the Committee letter, in addition to Tauzin, were Representatives Fred Upton, Michael Bilirakis, Cliff Stearns, Paul Gillmor, Nathan Deal, Richard Burr (Committee vice chairman), Edward Whitfield, Charles Norwood, Barbara Cubin, John Shimkus, Charles "Chip" Pickering, Steve Buyer, Charles Bass, Lee Terry, Darrell Issa, Michael Rogers, and C.L. "Butch" Otter.


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    James L. Lambert, who resides in San Diego, California, is a frequent contributor to AgapePress. He is the host of Night Lights, a weekly conservative talk cable television show in San Diego; the author of Porn in America (Huntington House); and a real estate loan sales agent. He can be reached via his website: JamesLLambert.com.
    © 2003 AgapePress all rights reserved.
     
  19. Ransom

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    In other news:

    Texas millionaire Robert Durst was recently acquitted for the murder of his neighbour on the grounds of self-defense.

    What the courts have ruled here is that anyone may now, under any circumstance, behead anyone they want with no fear of punishment. This means the floodgates are going to be wide open for any act of homicide the murder industry sees fit to perform. No one is safe.

    Write your local prosecuting attorney now and inform him of how outraged you are at this travesty of justice.
     
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    Funny, Ransom!
     
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