All Israel Will be Saved. Romans 11:26

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    All Israel will be Saved
    Romans 11:26

    Did you catch the misquote in the title? No? Just wait, we will get to that.

    This passage is one of the most (deservedly) famous of verses in the Bible. I don't know how many sermons I have heard, books and web sites read, over the years that made good - or ill - use of these words in Romans 11:26.

    THE POPULAR VIEW: FUTURE MASS CONVERSION OF NATIONAL ISRAEL
    The most usual interpretation that I heard takes into account the verse before:

    "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" Rom. 11:25

    The most-common explanation of the passage is that at the time of Paul's writing and up through our time God had switched His attention from His chosen people (national Israel) and turned it more fully on the Gentiles - all those who are not Jews. In order to flesh out this scenario other presumably related verses are pressed into service, most notably Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7:

    “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.” Zech. 12:10

    “Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “ Rev. 1:7


    The popular view as taught by two dispensationalists: John Macarthur and John Piper:

    "So, what [Paul, in Romans 9] is saying is, Israel was set aside, yes, temporarily and partially. And in their setting aside, the riches was turned to the Gentiles. After the Gentiles fullness has come in, after the church is complete (that's what that means) God will go back and redeem Israel. Zechariah tells us exactly how. He says, “They will look on Him whom they have pierced and they will mourn for Him as an only son.” That is an indication that their salvation comes about directly as a relationship of their focus on Jesus Christ. At that point, they will be saved. And, then He will fulfill His covenant, verse 27, He will take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, now, they have become enemies for your sake. In other words, their setting aside affected the salvation of the Gentiles. But, as touching the election, in other words, in God’s eternal purpose, they are the beloved for the Father’s sake, for God cannot change His covenant. His gifts and callings are without repentance, and so, He will bring them back. There is no question that He will bring them back. But, the bringing back has to be around the truth of the Lord, Jesus Christ. Macarthur, 1980

    Original page here: http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/1301-Q-14.htm

    Closer to the gist of the text are Piper's comments:

    "The apostle Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 that Christians “wait for [God's] Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” Jesus is the “the Deliverer” (ton heruomenon) from God's wrath to come. The closest parallel in the New Testament to this word “Deliverer” is found in Romans 11:26, where Paul describes how “all Israel” will be saved. Verse 26: “And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, ‘The Deliverer (ho heruomenos) will come from Zion [meaning Jerusalem or the heavenly Jerusalem], he will banish ungodliness from Jacob.

    "So we see that this Deliverer is Jesus Christ. He is the one who will save “all Israel,” and his salvation will be from “the wrath to come.” And the way he will do it is by “banishing ungodliness from the people,” as we see in verse 26: “He will banish ungodliness from Jacob”—that is, from all Israel. And he will forgive their sins. Verse 27: “And this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” So Israel will be saved when Jesus Christ, the deliverer, comes from Zion and (1) takes away the ungodliness—that is, the hardening—from Israel and replaces it with faith [recall verse 23, “if they do not continue in their unbelief , they will be grafted in”), and so (2) their sins will be forgiven, and (3) they will be grafted in to the tree of salvation and promise as one people with the Gentiles who believe in Jesus.

    ..."Now how is this going to happen? I don't know the details, but it seems to me that Paul does mean that in connection with the second coming of Christ there will be a great turning of Israel to Christ. Just how it works, I don't know. But I find certain prophecies very suggestive. For example, Zechariah 12:10, “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.” And Isaiah 6:8, “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.” And Matthew 23:39, where Jesus says to the hardened nation: “I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

    "I don't want to go beyond what is clear. So I say that I am not sure about the precise when and how of Israel's conversion. But that it is coming and that it will be given by Jesus Christ, the deliverer who banishes ungodliness and forgives sins—of that I feel sure.

    Original page here: http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2004/164_All_Israel_Will_Be_Saved/

    Both of these explanations have much in common. Both link together Old Testament prophecies with still-future fulfillment. Piper seems more careful to acknowledge his unsureness on just how this could possibly play out, yet nevertheless ends with certainty that the Dispensational scenario will indeed play out just as envisioned.

    PROBLEMS WITH THE POPULAR VIEW

    But is this the correct view? Will there be this extraordinary national conversion of Israel sometime in the future? Biblically there are several problems that come up. As we consider and deal with these problems, a better interpretation, hopefully, begins to present itself.

    TEXTUAL PROBLEMS
    Did you find the misquote? The problem is not in the words, but in the sentence itself. By quoting this phrase - "All Israel will be saved." - all together like that, the impression is given that the original was one small sentence. Well, in the Bible the sentence is much more involved. And this makes a big difference.

    Here is the whole sentence:


    "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

    “The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
    And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
    For this is My covenant with them,
    When I take away their sins." Romans 11:25 - 27


    In my Greek New Testament from the beginning of verse 25 to the end of verse 27 (the quotation from Isaiah) is all one sentence. Let us work outward from our main sentence - or what we perhaps thought was a sentence! We now have: "...and so all Israel will be saved,". "And so" can better be interpreted as "and in this way" or "and thus". This already makes a difference because now we have to ask: In what way? The answer is twofold: both before and after the phrase. This from an earlier article of mine:
    "Context: This is where many, many translations and paraphrases do us a great disservice. How? Well, they effectively isolate "All Israel shall be saved" from the rest of the sentence! Did you know that the original sentence extends both before and after that more famous sound bite? The NIV and others especially separate the previous thought, cutting the sentence up. The sentence should read:

    "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, and so [that is, in this manner] all Israel will be saved..."

    There are two clarifications as to all of Israel's being saved.
    A. It will be "in this manner" - the manner just described in the previous phrase: It will consist of both Jew and Gentile, the latter taking advantage of a blindness of the former. These two groups, Jews and Gentiles will thus make up the total number of the redeemed, the Israel of God.

    B. It will be "as it is written" - according to the two passages cited by Paul. This brings us down to the third hermeneutic principle."

    (Continued)
     
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    CONCLUSION to the previous article

    GOSPEL 2.0?
    The interpretation of Romans 11:26 that sees all of Israel in some future point of time being saved has serious and insuperable problems. That interpretation does not at all best explain the context of the verse or the passage. It ignores entirely Paul's assertion concerning the true spiritual nature of Israel and, consequently, Jews. It overlooks Paul's application of the cross-references in Isaiah, as well as the nature of spiritual Zion.

    Even more seriously, this view would rewrite, for a certain favored future group of fortunate saints-to-be, the very nature of the Gospel. Yet, because God has made certain assurances to us concerning this Gospel and the way of salvation, the integrity of God Himself would be called into question - if there truly would be this anomalous imagined future move of God, entirely at odds with His promises to us..

    Positively stated, these problems all disappear when we realize that God is currently building His Kingdom, the Zion of God, of Jews and Gentiles enjoying our common salvation. Because all those of faith are sons and daughters of Abraham they also inherit the promise given through Christ.

    These promises are all attained through faith.
    We read them.
    The Spirit of Christ opens our eyes.
    We believe them.
    We live in them, rejoice in them.
    Hallelujah. They are ours forever.
    All the promises of God are Yes and Amen in Christ Jesus, 2 Cor. 1:20.
    There are no other promises, either looked for or needed.
     
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    I am not sure what happened but the second post of mine, showing as a quote from myself, is actually new material. They have the headings:


    A Closer Look
    Prophetic Problem
    Definition Problem
    Thematic Problem
    Consistency Problem
    Luke 16: No One Gets a Sign
     
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    A lot of verbiage, but little information. All Israel can be defined as those who obtained approval through faith under the Old Covenant, and those who obtained saving grace through faith under the New Covenant. Efforts to define "all Israel" as "blood line" Jews are mistaken, for you must be born anew.
     
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    You didn't really address what I was writing, nor seem to pick up on my point. . Yes, I guess it would look like a lot of verbiage when you just breeze by.
     
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    Just a point of clarification. Piper, while a premill, is not a dispensationalist.
     
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    My point:

    All Israel can be defined as those who obtained approval through faith under the Old Covenant, and those who obtained saving grace through faith under the New Covenant. Efforts to define "all Israel" as "blood line" Jews are mistaken, for you must be born anew.

    Since not all blood line Jews are saved, all Israel cannot be so defined!
     
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    ? All Israel will be saved. How is the all Israel, relative to the Israel in part, who have been blinded (by whom and why) and how are both relative to the fullness of the Gentiles (nations) coming in? Are those the same fullness of the nations (Gentiles) of Gen. 48:19?

    Deut. 32:26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

    All Israel? The remembrance of all Israel, to cease? Have we not since when that was written even until now, remembered who at least a part of Israel are? Where were the others scattered? The ones the remembrance of whom has ceased?

    I agree with the OP on one thing. In this manner. A part of Israel has been blinded, until. However, all Israel shall be saved.

    “So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, “Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. ‘After this I will return
    And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
    I will rebuild its ruins,
    And I will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,
    Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
    Says the LORD who does all these things. Acts 15:8, 14,16,17
    NKJV

    A people for his name to reign with Christ.

    I unlike the OP am still awaiting God to set this up.

    Luke 2:10,11 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


     
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    All Israel = all those who obtained approval through faith under the Old Covenant and who obtained saving grace under the New Covenant.

    Any other view is wrong. :)
     
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    All Israel that is saved = the church, the body of Christ.

    There is not a plan for Israel and another plan for the church. Both of them are the same, and comprise the body of Christ which = the church.
     
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    No, Israel and the church are not the same.....yet. The promises to Abraham still belong to Israel as a nation/state and the citizens of it. But those citizens are divided between those who are saved (the minority) and those who are not saved by God's grace (the majority).

    The spiritual divisions between Christianity and the Jews is seen in such places as


    1 Corinth. 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
     
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    Furthermore, every single Jew alive at the time of Christ's second coming is going to be converted to Him at that visible appearance. THAT is the meaning of the passage in question and there is no other meaning to it.

    From Albert Barnes commentary on the Bible; "All Israel. All the Jews. It was a maxim among the Jews, that "every Israelite should have part in the future age." (Grotius.) The apostle applies that maxim to his own purpose; and declares the sense in which it would be true. He does not mean to say that every Jew of every age would be saved; for he had proved that a large portion of them would be, in his time, rejected and lost. But the time would come when, as a people, they would be recovered; when the nation would turn to God; and when it could be said of them, that, as a nation, they were restored to the Divine favour.
     
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    Hi Calypisis4, I disagree. Blood line has nothing to do with being considered "all Israel." The stumbling stone (you must be born anew) blocks the bloodline view. BTW, the promises to Abraham belong to me, a Gentile according to Galatians 3.
    All Israel = all those who obtained approval through faith under the Old Covenant and who obtained saving grace under the New Covenant.

    Any other view is wrong. :)
     
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    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
    And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: [ie: National Israel] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Romans 11:25,26,27
     
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    You are stating God has two purposes for two different groups, christians and Jews. You say that the Jews are not in the church. In your logical conclusion, Christ never died for the Jews. Christ gave His life for who? See Ephesians 5:25.

    Then in John 10, Jesus said He is giving His life for the sheep. He also said He had other sheep not of that fold(Gentiles). He would bring them in.
     
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    I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:1

    Was he also a blind Israelite until this took place? Acts 9:17-20 NKJV And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized. So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus. Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God. --- Just what all eyes of him were opened?

    ὅτι πώρωσις ἀπὸ μέρους τῷ Ἰσραὴλ γέγονεν ἄχρις

    Now let's say I do not want be ignorant, therefore, someone tell me, today what part of Israel have been blinded? Maybe a better question would be, what part of Israel have not been blinded, until?

    May that means they can see out of one eye.
     
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    [As it is written] And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. [hint: "Jacob" is true "Israel" genetically]
    As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and forever.
    compare Isaiah 59:20-21 & Romans 11:26-27
     
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    How was Paul saved?

    And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart. Zech 12:10-14
     
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    No, you did not read me carefully. First, God had a purpose for Israel and they failed. So after countless attempts to bring his 'wife' back to Himself He divorced her for her repeated adulteries (Jeremiah 3:8) and eventually took another bride, the church. Yet the remnant of Israel (those who believed in Jesus) became/become one with Christ (in the church...a new thing in the earth). The plan of salvation is the same but the church is a new body. I DID NOT say that the Jews are not in the church. Jews WERE the first ones saved forming that new body. The gentiles came later.

    Your statement that 'In your logical conclusion, Christ never died for the Jews'. Those are your words, not mine. The truth is 'to the Jew first, and also to the Greeks.' (Romans 1:16). As things exist now every person who accepts Christ is added to the church (the bride) and not to Israel as it existed under the old covenant. (nor even the covenant theology concept of the church/Israel connection).

    The union of the Jew and gentile was born in the 1st century but it is a growing body that will only be complete when Christ returns and establishes His kingdom on earth.

    Your last statement I don't disagree with but you should not confuse O.T. Israel with the N.T. bride of Christ for though one came out of the other they are not the same. I did notice that you did not comment on I Corinth. 10:32.
     
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