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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Apr 15, 2004.
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Another step in the plan for the Islamatization of America.
I don't have a problem with open prayer calls (regardless of the faith that's doing it), so long as it's within the boundaries of current noise abatement laws. If it's outside those boundaries, that would be a different story. Each community should be allowed to decide amongst themselves what constitutes reasonable times and levels. For example, in the city where I work, current laws allow churches with bell towers to ring between 6 am and 8 pm. They must not be above a certain decibel level, and cannot exceed a certain time (I think it's 5 minutes at a time). There's a nice RCA church nearby whose bell tower rings Westminster chimes every 15 mins, and plays three hymn tunes at noon. The local Catholic church also plays Westminster chimes, and rings a prayer call at 6am, noon, and 6pm. If the local Musim mosque wants to have prayer calls that meet the same standards, I don't see why they should be disallowed by the government.
Cool! As for me I'd praise God for Christ and Grace every time they read out of their lil book.
Agreed - if church bells are legal why not a muslim call to prayer?
Can you imagine the outcry if a town tried to ban church bells?
Clearly, most Americans do not seem too alarmed, just a few of us.
I totally understand your concern - I really do. But we as Americans have a first amendment - could the quote above not be said Christians (or should it not be said of Christians)?
I oppose special privileges for Muslims in public schools, but to stop their worship and evangelism we would have to revoke the first amendment.
I know our forefathers never dreamt that this would be a problem. But what are we supposed to do?
Nope. Most of us don't. Like the previous post, I, too, share your concern, but while I oppose special privileges for any one religion, I also oppose oppression of religion that I disagree with. Freedom of religion for all, or freedom of religion for none. I choose all. The only other choice is a theocracy. The day the US becomes a theocracy is the day I leave the country, since institutionalized religion results in the lack of religious liberty (you can check with the pilgrims about that one).
Will you wake up to Islamic prayer call?
I am against this!!!!! I would fight it tooth and nail.
Am I understanding this article correctly that they are changing the noise level laws to accomodate the loudspeakers? It seems to me that if it is louder than the noise ordinance that iot could very well infringe on people's right to not listen to their prayers and be able to sleep. It might even be an endorsment of a certain religion which I believe is also prohibited by the same first ammendment. I understand that everyone has the right to worship what ever god they want, even if it is a false god (not Jesus Christ). However, we also have the right to not have their prayers shoved down our throats (and ears) and to be able to sleep.
If it isn't going to be loud and obnoxious and wake people up, then why do they need to alter the noise ordinance to accomodate the loudspeaker? Something doesn't add up from where I am sitting. Am I the only one who sees the contradiction here?
If noise level laws are changed in order to accomodate a specific religion which requested it, and government bodies must treat all religions equally, neither favoring nor opposing any of them, then... if Muslims can issue a call to prayer with loudspeakers, others can use loudspeakers to issue words of condemnation of Islam at the same times.
I have decided that I want to start a new Church that only meets outdoors and has Rock concerts at the beginning of my services with ear splitting noise levels. I want the council to change the noise ordinance to accomodate my religious worship...
God has decided that when you hear the voices of that muslim loud speaker calling to prayer,, that you remember His perfect work and even the sin you harbor in judgment, about the ignorance of their religion, is already forgiven you. But, the asking for forgivness, as well as the prayer for the conversion of those people to the cross, Is, YOUR duty!
LadyEagle---while I am abiding in your "fellowship of circled wagons" here--we do need to realize that way back when our country was constituted---our forefathers probably did not anticipate Muslim religion infiltrating the shores of the US---they probably tried their best to "foresee" what MIGHT be down the road---but--see--their mind was on the Church of England telling them what they can and can't do--stuff like that!
Islam is spooky and is AntiChrist! I can see too the eventual embracing by the US of its deadly poison--to which, LadyEagle---the true church of Jesus Christ needs to be ready---as the Apostle Paul deemed "I am now ready to be offered . . ."--2Timothy 4:6----the vast majority of the United States will not obey this verse of scripture when it comes time to obey it!
There is coming a day here in the US---soon, I believe---and its already happening in other countries----when what was done by the Nazi's against Jews and Christians will appear "Boy Scout-ish" compared to the end result of "Islam run wild!"
I agree with your contention David - totally. Please don't anyone think that I am soft on Islamo-fascist satanism.
The "problem" is still the First Amendment - what can be done to "limit" their rights and keep the rights we cherish?
If they want a loudspeaker for their silly prayers, and they keep it within the noise ordinance, it doesn't bother me. Their prayers are all for not anyway. But, when we change the law to accomodate a particular religion, and invade other people's peace, it no longer is a freedom of religion issue.
Kick the Muslims out of America !!!!
We'll have to repeal the First Amendment first, do you REALLY want that?
Roger is right, Pino----to kick them out--is to kick another group out to kick another group out to kick another and another until nobody is left except us and who is "us" anymore??
If we kick everybody out who does not cooperate with us---then they(the ones we kicked out) will be replaced by somebody else---and it would be a continual "kickin' out"---see?
Besides---if we keep up the kickin' out long enough---Blackbird is afraid that the "kick-ees" will soon single him out for not belongin' here, either! See?
Excellent point David.
It is not hard to see under a possible president that fundamental, Bible believing, pro-life, Christians could be seen as a danger and "kicked out" as well.
We had better ne careful about doing away with religious liberties folks.