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An Answer To Alcoholic Beverages

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by His Blood Spoke My Name, Jun 19, 2007.

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  1. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    I like both, but I don't have either very often. I'm partial to a good hearty amber. Stouts are very tasty but way too rich for me. There are some pretty decent non-alcoholic beers out there if you just like the taste, although I don't think you'll find any non-alcoholic stouts. For that matter, I hear there are some good non-alcoholic wines, but I think they're all white, so you don't get the same benefit as red.
     
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  2. dan e.

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    Although I don't drink in the sense of having an alcoholic beverage on occasion, I do enjoy a little bit of Bailey's in my cup of coffee. I rarely have it, but when it is available I usually enjoy it.
     
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    I am glad someone else noticed, plastic is aweful.
    I used to love grape juice until they went to plastic, now it just isn't the same.
     
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  4. Bro. Curtis

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    It is important that we don't come off as condoning excess. I know a lot of people that have big problems with alchohol, and I don't want a new Christian coming here and reading this, and running out & buying a 12 pack, because he read on the Baptist Board that it's OK.

    The biblical warnings against excess in anything are most serious, and I think we should treat them that way.

    I am in no way telling Christians to ignore the Holy Spirit and imbibe. I am saying a prayerful walk with Christ is important in deciding anything.
     
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  5. Dale-c

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    npet,
    That is interesting about white and red wines. I was actually thinking about going out with my wife this afternoon to go wine shopping.

    I hope I can find something I like better than beer. I tried Newcastle Brown Ale the other day and it was ok but not great.

    Since I am a novice with wine, could some of you suggest a certian brand or type that I should try?

    If gas wasn't so high I would make the two hour drive to a winery in southern Indiana, I always thought it would be fun to stop in there.
     
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  6. Dale-c

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    I absolutely agree.

    ONe thing I that strongly believe though is that it is never right to lie.
    It is a good idea to tell a new christian who is a recovering alcoholic that abstinence for a time would probably be wise but it is wrong to add to the Bible to say that moderation would be wrong.

    It is not wrong for an alcoholic to drink in moderation, it is just that if he finds it unduly difficult to be moderate, perhaps he should abstain altogether.
     
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    That is my approach.
     
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  8. Dale-c

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    So I have noticed.
     
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  9. Linda64

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    Did the title of this thread change?

    I believe that someone, other than HBSMN, has changed the title of this thread from An Answer to Ed to An Answer to Alcoholic Beverages. That could have only been a moderator. I spoke with HBSMN in PM and he said he did not change it and he was unaware of the change. We were wondering why the moderators chose to change the title of this thread without informing HBSMN of this change.

    I realize that it is the moderator's perogative to change titles of threads--however, the thread starter should be made aware of it, just out of courtesy.
     
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    If you like a sweet wine, try an ice wine. They are real popular (and expensive) up here in the NE (in Indiana, too). They leave some of the grapes on the wine until the first frost, and when they are slightly frozen pluck them and make the wine with them.
     
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    Thanks, I will have to look at those sometime.
    Also, glad that we can agree on a thread for a change! :)
     
    #51 Dale-c, Jun 20, 2007
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Its in the rules - you can't post a thread title which contains a member's name.

     
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    Wow, the ancients didn't even know how to boil water?:laugh:

    If only all would agree with your proviso of modern-age teetotaling! The (unintended?) result of moderationism, however, is to excuse the (unnecessary) drinking of alcohol now. With advanced methods of preservation presently available, why resort to fermentation at all? If it is really not the "buzz" they are after, why not drink the aforementioned dealcoholized wine?
     
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    When are YOU going over this subject? Does it bother you that HBSMN declares the truth that is written in the Word of God? Everytime a thread on alcohol shows up, many of the same posters are in it.

    BTW, this thread title was changed from "An Answer to Ed" to "An Answer to Alcoholic Beverages" without HBSMN being made aware of such a change. IMO, this shows no respect or courtesy to the thread starter, even though the moderators do have the perogative to change thread titles when they feel it needs to be done.

    So, if anyone is obsessed with this topic, it is the very same posters who show up in all the threads dealing with drinking alcohol. If anything, HBSMN's obsession is in proclaiming the clear commands found in God's Word.
     
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  15. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    With all due respect C4K, I did not name a person's screen name in the Title of the thread. The thread was named, 'An Answer To Ed...'. It did not give Ed's screen name 'EdSutton' in the title of the thread.
     
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  16. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    There is also another important point here that must not be overlooked. In the Greek New Testament, whenever there is a warning against drunkenness, the term “much wine” (oino pollo) is never used. The words used are methuo (Matt 24:49; 1 Thes 5:7), methusko (Eph 5:\18; Luke 12:45), methusos (1 Cor 5:11), methe (Gal 5:21). These are the words always used for drunkenness in the Greek New Testament. Had the Apostle Paul been warning against the overuse of alcoholic wine, it would seem reasonable that he would have used one of these words which he himself used every time he wrote about drunkenness elsewhere in the New Testament. The very fact that he employs the term “much wine,” may have been to make it clear to the recipients that the wine he was referring to was the non-alcoholic kind, and therefore does not endorse so-called “temperate” indulgence.

    This explanation can also apply to our next Scripture passage under examination (1 Timothy 3:8), which reads:

    Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued,
    not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

    Although the subject here is identical to the previously explained verse, which makes it clear that the “much wine” was not necessarily alcoholic. An even stronger case for total abstinence can be seen when the verse is looked at in context with the previous verses, which reads:

    This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; (1 Timothy 3:1-8)​

    Notice in verse 8, it says, “Likewise must the deacons be…” In other words the same standard is required of a Bishop, is the same standard that is required of the Deacon. The Apostle Paul merely labels some additional qualifications. We will now see that the Bishops were commanded to abstain from alcohol and likewise the Deacons. Let us now look closer at the required qualifications of Bishops and Deacons. In verse 2 above, the word translated “vigilant” in the original Greek is nephalion, this is the same word translated “sober” in the passage we looked at earlier (Titus 2:2), which meant to abstain from intoxicants. Young gives us a literal and concise explanation of 1 Timothy 3:2 (above):

    Lit. ‘the overseer, therefore, it bohoves to be unlaid-hold-​
    upon, husband of one woman (only), not drinking, ​
    sober-minded, seemly (in behavior), a friend of ​
    strangers, apt to teach,’​

    Here we have another clear command to abstain from intoxicants, and as we go further it gets stronger. In verse 3 it states, “not given to wine” which in itself obviously means abstinence. Let the reader now compare the commands “not given to wine” in verse 3, with the command “not given to much wine” in verse 8. Obviously the Bible does not contradict itself. This again makes it clear that there were two kinds of wine, alcoholic and non alcoholic respectively. One we must abstain from totally, and the other we must not be over-indulgent in.


    Exerpt from 'Wine in the Bible and the Scriptural Case for Total Abstinence" by Leighton G. Campbell.
     
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    If you want a relatively inexpensive California brand that generally tastes good, try Mondavi. I am partial to Cabernet Sauvignon, but that isn't really a newbie wine. I'm not sure what would be best - maybe Merlot or Pino Noir.

    Here's a bit of trivia for you. The names are taken from French Provinces where the particular types of grapes are used, and the California wines are very similar to the French equivalent. However, you will ONLY find these names used in France and the US. France got everyone to agree NOT to use these names for wines. However, they did the agreement back during prohibition, so there was no reason for the US to sign onto the deal. So when prohibition was repealed, the US was the only country besides France that was free to use the French names. ;)
     
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  18. dan e.

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    I like how you capitalized the word "you"...it made me think of the Uncle Sam picture where he is pointing a finger right at me. HIJKLMNOP, You're funny.

    I have no idea what those letters mean, I'm just trying to fit it by putting a bunch of letters together. It usually takes me forever, after lots of guessing, to figure out what all the abbreviations mean.
     
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  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Long established policy is that even a part of screen name cannot be used - sorry about that.
     
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    This is simply not true, and you can check for yourself with your favorite resource, KJV/Strongs.

    The word is:

    New Testament Greek for ' given to wine '

    3943 paroinos {par'-oy-nos}
    from 3844 and 3631;; adj
    AV - given to wine 2; 2
    1) given to wine, drunken
    (strong's number 3943)

    There you have the word "drunken" and it's paroinos, not methuo.

    The NIV even translates it as drunkenness.

    You can quote from your Leighton G. Campbell propaganda all you want, but he's wrong, and for the same reason you are. You both manipulate scripture to get the results you want.
     
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