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    Yeah, I commented on that earlier. A token Democrat, just so it isn't all Republicans. Apparently, he was the victim of an FBI sting; they targeted him, for reasons they aren't disclosing.

    Whether the fact that he was black and a democrat had anything to do with it, is beside the point, of course; if he took the bribe, it doesn't matter who was trying to set him up, or why. He's still a crook.

    Normally, I don't care much for affirmative action, but I'll make an exception in this case, even if Karl Rove dreamed it up. :laugh:
     
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    I don't see any bribe-taking involved. I deplore drunken driving, and drug use, whether it's a Kennedy or George Bush or Dick Cheney. None of them should be allowed to drive, as far as I'm concerned. And they should not be permitted to play with guns.

    Does the fact that you had to go there to find anything remotely like corruption, make it clear to you why people consider Jefferson to be a case of "affrimative action?"

    Why are there so many crooked Republicans? It's not that the GOP is intrinsically evil. It's just that they don't seem to be able to handle power very well. Many people don't. But for some reason, they do worse than most people.

    I am, BTW, very serious. No matter who dreamed up the sting, Jefferson's still guilty if he took a bribe.
     
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    Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
    DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.
    Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.
    Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.
    Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
    Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
    Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.
    Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.
    John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator
    Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.
    Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.
    Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
    Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.
    Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.
    Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.
    David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
    Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.
    Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.
    David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.
    James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.
    Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.
    William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.
     
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    I guess this excuses any wrong-doing by the GOP, right?

    Why do you want to derail a thread about corruption in the GOP, why don't you comment on the OP?
     
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    Just responding to the finger pointers. ;)
     
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    So, it's alright to be corrupt as long as the person is republican, right?
     
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    No. It is not alright to be corrupt if you are a republican or a democrat. That is the point I am trying to make. You seem to think it is only important to point out the corruption in the GOP. I think it is important to point out the corruption of all the republicrats.
     
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    Because of this asenine statement.....

     
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    I'm under no illusion that the Democrats are any more righteous or honest than the Republicans. It just seems to me that the Republicans are given more leeway by the right-wing posters. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is how it appears.

    I think that most politicians, Democrat or Republican, are politicians first, and that many of them will lie, cheat or steal to stay in office. Sorry if I gave the impression that only the GOP is corrupt.
     
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    Well, Terry, I never saw you say that, and won't assume you think like that. However, everyone I know here who voted for Bush, has criticized him on this board, some viciously. I remember blasting him several times. Now honestly, have you seen the same criticism of democrats, from democrats ? I can honestly say I haven't.
     
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    I know I have only been on BB a short time, but, I have noticed at least 3 people on here who do nothing but start anti-GOP threads, and a couple of people who respond in a defensive way. I have not noticed anyone who makes a habit of starting pro-GOP threads. There may be one person I've noticed who started one anti-Dem thread.

    I don't think it is necessary to attack or support either party. I think we should hold these guys accountable individually.

    BTW, I don't even know why I got caught up in this. I don't care. If you have nothing better to do but whine about this republican and that republican, knock yourself out. Show me a perfect man on either side. Good luck. I do think the GOP does tend to be the party more friendly toward people of faith, and the democrats seem to be on the wrong side of every issue, (in general). But, I have also noticed now that the GOP holds a majority in the House and Senate, and has the White House as well, it seems to be "all talk, no action". That is why I am beginning to refer to them as one party, "the republicrats".
     
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    You make a good point! Perhaps it is because the Republicans are in power, or maybe it is because the Republicans tend to view themselves as being the Party of superior morality. I know that Bush promised to "restore honor and dignity to the White House."

    Perhaps if the Democrats take control of the White House in 2008 we will see threads more the other way. Time will tell.
     
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    Bro Curtis, I see you were sufficiently aroused and desperate to include in your list long-ago misbehaviors, things that did not involve official corruption, and in at least one case, denounced a democrat because a relative behaved badly.

    However, if you want to include such things, we'd have to point out that more people were convicted, pardoned, or freed on Miranda grounds or listed as unindicted co-conspirators in Iran-Contra than your entire list of democrats, including relatives of democrats.

    That should give you pause. As I pointed out, republicans are not intrinsically evil; they just cannot resist abuse of power when they have it. BTW, it's not a secret. Have you seen the polls?

    This is why the current round of corruption in Washington is largely Republican. And the rot is not in some GOP state treasurer. It starts in the WH. It starts at the top of the Congressional leadership. Even the Republicans are beginning to get disgusted.
     
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    Nice try, but most of those are less than ten years old. I especially like this one....


    Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

    Besides, why don't you drop your charade ? You claim to be a libertarian, yet you support Kerry's legislation that keeps dogs out of the back of pickups. Which is it ? Are you just a Bush basher, long on attitude & short on facts ?

    And as far as Iran-Contra......


    _"Even if corners were cut, (Iran-Contra) was a brilliant scheme. There is no possibility that anyone in any Democratic administration would have gone to such lengths to fund anti-communist forces. When Democrats scheme from the White House, it's to cover up the president's affair with an intern. When Republicans scheme, it's to support embattled anti-communist freedom fighters sold out by the Democrats," Ann Coulter. (I know you hate her almost as much as you hate Bush)
     
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    So Curtis,

    Violating the law is justified if it's for a good cause?

    As for Ann Coulter, she is a parody of herself, especially with her latest antics in calling a group of 9/11 widows "witches". She is a vile, reprehensible person devoid of any compassion, if her words are truly an indicator. Sometimes I think she is saying absurd things that she herself doesn't believe just to sell books to the nutty extreme element of the right wing. I also think she likes the publicity it gets her...after all, in PR there is no bad publicity.
     
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    MP, don't put words in my mouth. Galatian has said Republicans have more propensity for corruption than Democrats, and that's crazy.

    I was still a pot-smokin' hippy when the whole mess happened, but I doubt the whole mess was as it was reported.
     
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