And yet another white house univited guest...

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  1. rbell

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    The third guest is uncovered (actually the fourth...the first "crashers" were a couple).

    Face it folks: We will be attacked by terrorists. These buffoons running our country are too incompetent to even protect the white house. How will they protect the country?

    The best we can do now is hope we make it to the next election, and hope the Islamo-terrorists screw up.

    Congrats, USA: We elected a bumbling fool to run our country.
     
  2. donnA

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    again? what is going on with this?
     
  3. abcgrad94

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    I think we already have a terrorist in the white house. Maybe his friends are just coming to visit him. . .
     
  4. preachinjesus

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    Who cares? Really? Honestly, I could care less about party crashers.

    We have a continued recesssion.
    We have millions of people without adequate food, shelter, or water.
    We have millions of people under the oppression of Islam.
    We have millions of people without jobs.
    We have millions of people with access to proper healthcare.

    And the media only wants to blather on about univited guests who passed through metal detectors and security checkpoints and posed no threat whatsoever.

    I think we have our priorities and focus so eskew right now.

    How is it the President or Executive Branches' fault for a security matter of people they didn't hire to begin with?
     
  5. rbell

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    The point is: they can't even manage security for the white house. How are they going to manage security for our country?

    Look...GWB made some pretty stupid decisions at times...but at least they could run an adequate security staff at the White House. Obama has surrounded himself with incompetents. They can't keep themselves safe from intrusion...and we're supposed to trust them?

    The "millions of people" you list...surely you don't think this administration is capable of helping them, do you?
     
  6. David Michael Harris

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    Some of the posts on here remind of comments I see on the Daily Mail ( UK )

    Why are American Christians so obsessed with daily news stuff, especially politics?

    So much anti Obama stuff I see here yet the Bible says that God put him there!

    That should ruffle a few feathers. :)
     
  7. rbell

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    Pssst....we're commanded to pray for our leaders. It doesn't say we can't point out when they screw up.
     
  8. David Michael Harris

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    Yeah, prayer is the best. :)
     
  9. matt wade

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    Why is it that so many posters from foreign countries come on here and worry about anti-Obama stuff? You guys sure didn't seem to mind the anti-Bush stuff.
     
  10. David Michael Harris

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    I did. Thought we were all Christians?
     
  11. donnA

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    it's reflection of their ability, if they can't keep one building safe, how can they keep the rest of us safe. if they can't provide security for one building how can they provide security for a nation. so far we've seen nearly everything from this administration bungling through.
     
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    It won't ruffle any. Just because the Lord put Obama there does not mean we can't disagree with him or criticize his policies. Btw, I am not a Republican.
     
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    I agree. He wouldn't let the WH social secretary testify.

    I also think he should not have stayed in Hawaii after the Christmas day near-bombing of that plane. He should have come back Dec. 26 and fired Janet Napolitano (and maybe others as well). This would have shown that he means business and will not tolerate such actions.

    Instead, he comes back after his vacation is over, 11 days after the Christmas Day near tragedy, and makes a speech. He's good at speeches and words, not actions.
     
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    Yeah! Sure! By this theology either God also approved and elected Hitler to office and the attrocities he initiated! Give me a break and prove that God specifically elected Obama.


    In the context of the Bible, I could agree that God has power over all things and will control them to the extent required to bring his will to pass. However, God doesn't tempt us. All temptation springs from our own lusts.... the lust of the eye, the pride of life, etc. When a people empty themselves of any desire for the truth, and of any concern over sin...... a point is reached where the struggle of God with them turns to judgement.

    God lets people rise to power of leadership for one of two reasons...... either the people are good or the people are bad..... so leadership, itself is a blessing for the good of those who choose good and a reward to the people and glorifies God..... OR the leadership is a judgement upon a people who have turned to evil, as a merciful warning to steer them through the tyrany and their tribulations back to repentance or carry them on to judgement.

    The devil works the deception: Because this is his desire to take as many people as he can and who he hates because they were made in the image of God.... with him into the final judgement...... And God doesn't lie so we can know that the deception or delusion which God 'sends' is the judgement that truth ceases to be revealed to those who reach a point of no return with God The Bible is clear that when a people are evil and choose deception over truth, at some point God stops his work to bring repentance and truth to those evil people and turns them over to the powers behind their deception to give them in full that which they themselves sought after...... a full measure of being allowed to receive the consequences of their delusion. This does not mean that God ceases to work with individuals but that the dominant spirit of either the good or that which is evil, in the masses of people, becomes reflected in their leadership.

    Concerning evil.... theres a time to rebuke, theres a time to flee from evil, and theres a time to stand and theres a time to resist. The child of God is responsible to obey the will of God, according to that to which he is called: We know by the explanation of the body of Christ, that as a body has many parts and over all have an interdependance on each other but may have no understanding regarding the use or purpose of another.... so it is that individuals have different and unique callings so as some are led to do spiritual warfare related to one strategy others are called to different strategies yet all are called to obediance according to the will of God and as directed by his spirit.

    Yes, Obama is our President according to the seat of leadership which he occupies. But he is also a man..... no better than any other. He proclaims himself a citizen of the world. How is it that so many elected a citizen of the world to be their president? They were blind. They saw what they wanted to see. They were deaf. They listened but heard and remembered what they wanted to hear. They did not hear the contradictions. They accepted reports that he had exceptional creditials and did not look for proof of his accomplishments. They accepted the reports and the news repeated by others who praised and exalted him and followed the crowd without demanding the proof: without considering the sources they were blind being led by the blind......now he's leading the nation closer to the ditch which had begun under other precedents. He united many in an election, but he divides us in our purpose ...... and that purpose should be to maintain the sovereignty of our nation, the freedom of our people, the safety of our land and people, and the prosperity of our people, and the preservation and guidance of law by the constitution regarding the divisions of governmetn and the separation and preservation of rights and representation as acknowledged to the people and the states.

    No! God did not elect Obama to power. He allowed the people to do so: He allowed the people to accept their own delusions: He allowed the oppositions to believe the deluded ideals they also clung to without examining the story behind the story. He allows the people to join whatever divisions of politics which they think best even without considering that a choice between two evils is still evil...... even if presented with a worthy but improbable third choice.... even if only as a vote for their conviction against the other choices presented.

    We are a nation of many non Christians..... and many whimpy whinning Christians. Even with the current judgement, every Christian should be rejoicing and giving all praises to God that he gives each of us one more day of mercy and grace, one more chance to repent and turn and try to make a difference, one more chance to witness to the clerk at the store, the waitress at a restuarant, to invite an unattended person to sit and chat over coffee about the Lord, to visit a neighbor or the sick, to encourage another Christian, to talk with a fellow believer about the sorrows we see coming upon our land and uniting with those who agree in prayerful warfare.

    The devil writes the story..... the lying story which we start to believe. One has to dig deeper for the truth. Even as Christians, we like to hear the good things..... we like to trust, to feel the comfort and the endorsement of our ministerial leaders and PACs to give us correct guidance. They are but human too and we should always be wary of giving enthusiastic and unconditional endorsement without the strength to critique and openly warn others when they err.

    Do challenges produce results..... Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Bush was repeatedly challenged by the media about Skull and Bones.... but I never heard the outrage of the 'Christian right' standing against the forces of darkness or the allengiance of men joined by oaths of allegiance to other men or to secret societies..... which the Bible warns of deeds done in darkness, men who prefer darkness over light: nor the seduction of money for faith based ministries..... not realizing even the witches covens can get this money.... or the excuse of WMD (a lie) for going in Iraq and changing its government, even though under an an evil man, with a populace which had a degree of prosperity and peace in which to raise their children and live their lives in relative stability.... until we entered to kill 1000's of civilians, destroy their infrastructure of clean water, electricity, land, where many religions including Christianity, florished .... and devastate it with depleted uranium, a police type state of occupancy. Christians should have raised our voices in outrage with some of Bush's appointments of homosexual activists: of approving torture. We should have checked Laura Bush's comments regarding a woman's 'right to choose' as well as Barbara Bush's similar stand.... and Bush's concession on embrionic stem cell research..... and his using the towers as an excuse to pass a law allowing invasion of our privacy which sets up the beast system.... against our constitution, which can be misused to persecute people for any reason as determined by whatever criteria is determined in the name of 'peace and safety'. There was an outrage when the so called Rev. Wright was exposed as Obama's pastor who married him and baptised his children and expressed hatred for America.... It may not have change Obama, but he did distance himself from the Rev Wright to win an election.

    As for the recent incident of the Christmas day airliner...... We've had airplane hijacks going way back into the 60's,,,,, and some exploded with bombs. Where is the increase in these incidents to cause us to concede to laws such as a universal ID which can connect all countries to a data based connected with the privacy info of medical, financial, DNA info, etc..... or to accept intrusion on our phone calls before evidence of suspiscion..... and the abuses of power these programs would offer the beast system, once fully established.... or do we believe any of the end time revelation? Now husbands will allow their daughters and wives to be stipped searched by x-rays at airports by strangers? Babes in the womb, recently conceived, will be exposed to ionizing radiation. And we are supposed to believe the government and the 'expert' reports that it is as safe as 5 minutes of normal background radiation..... Well: when I studied radiology, it was taught that there was no 'good level' of radiation..... any radiation capable of penetrating or passing through the body is ionizing and capable.... and DOES cause some cellular and molecular harm and alteration! There were 'experts' who wrote my textbooks so what has changed from what I was taught in 1968 vs now? Just a position of government backed by its patsy of 'experts' willing to tie their credibility to a lie.... and possibly prevent their employment from becoming unstable due to a dissenting opinion.
     
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    I think you dislike the President so much that you are looking under every rock and in every crevace to find something to blame him for. I think that is an unChristian attitude.

    The security of the White House does not relate to the security of the United States. Your accusation is a red herring and not an awfully good one either. Particularly because the personal security division of Treasury is not run or appointed by the President.

    Again all of these people went through multiple metal dectectors and had their bags checked. There was no theat.

    Really, incompetents? How is that engaging and evaluating the situation? I'll put my weekly salary on the line here and wager that all of the security personnel who should have been involved were hired during past presidencies and not the current one.

    This isn't the President's issue, it isn't his staff's issue, it is the Treasury's issue and it doesn't matter. Do you think the Chief of Staff to the President is walking around checking invitations? Really?
     
  16. rbell

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    I'll be sure and pass on your application for Executive Assistant to the Holy Spirit to the proper authorities.


    Really? So, when the White house can't manage a guest list, we shouldn't worry about their ability to manage a no-fly list? First...have you forgotten the precise locale of where the buck stops? Second...who hired people is unimportant now. Obama's administration is in charge. If Bush hired an idiot, then Obama is perfectly able to replace him/her with a better qualified suit.

    My above point remains unchallenged. Why even have a guest list? Just pat everyone down, and let anyone in who wants to come, then.

    My above point still remains unchallenged.

    Now, where was it that buck was supposed to stop...?

    Oh, and BTW: Obama nominated a tax cheat to run the Treasury department. The fish rots from the head down.
     
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    I think we can at least take some comfort in the fact that there is a lot of men and women serving in our military.. and they were not appointed by the President.
     
  18. preachinjesus

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    And I'll file yours for "the unable to take a rebuke" office. ;)

    It is unChristian to use language as coarse as yours to respond to anyone. That is Scriptural. (Ephesians 4:26; Colossians 4:6; 1 Peter 3:15)

    So the President should be overseeing the guest list? Not the people hired to do that?

    I imagine some of them will be finding new assignments after all of this. The problem here is your main contention is foolish. It isn't anybody in the West Wing's fault that these people got in. It is completely the issue of the security detail that occupies offices across the street.

    Well I don't know how I can challenge a point that hasn't been made when I replied. (Maybe I'm missing something) My point is that it isn't the President or his staff's fault. They aren't in charge of security for the White House. That is a different organization.

    Besides, Andrew Jackson had a big block of cheese in the lobby of his White House and frequently welcomed guests. (See that is an example of a red herring...Jackson's situation is completely different.)

    Sounds like you just want to impugne the President at any cost. I don't know about your job, but in mine if something goes wrong with the air conditioning we don't blame the senior Pastor. We check things out with the maintence staff.
     
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    The President's family friend Desiree Rogers was appointed by the Obamas to organize WH events. Isn't it her responsibility to assign someone at the security checkpoint to see if a guest is actually on the list? Especially since this has happened before.

    Pastor, it's about the same level of dialog as when you said that Sarah Palin wasn't qualified to be Dogcatcher.
     
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    The president is not the one who manages White House security and access. The security detail is the one to bear the responsibility.
     

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