Antichrist/False Prophet

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  1. Lori

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    I dunno...maybe this should go under the polls section...sorry moderator still learning my way around.

    Ok here's my question. Regardless of when you think the rapture will occur do you feel that when the antichrist and his false prophet are revealed we as christians will all "agree" on who he is? Not just all baptists agree but all other christian denoms agree too?

    Thanks a million for anwsering all lots and lots of questions y'all.

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  2. Jacob Webber

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    I personally do ot think everyone will recognize Him at first, Some will be in denial and such. But they will find out who He is after a while of living with Him.

    Back in 1996 I was taking with a friend of Mine and He said he heard something about the Anti Christ not having a Soul and that He would be born in the Middle East. That got my mind to thinking and I thought that if the Anti Christ does not have a soul than maybe He would be a Clone of a Human because there is only one set of genes I think copied from the Donar. And the next year or two I remembered hearing about some occult on Art Bell Radio show and taking about Cloning somewhere in Middle America I think. But that there had been six women who were caring Cloned Childern. The First of Which was in Israel which raised the eyebrow a little. the others I think were in France, Denmark and Japan I think. I thought I would share this though it may or may not have anything to do with the Anti-Christ
     
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    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Lori, that is a serious subject that I think is worth discussing. The antichrist will decieve many, and very probably many Christians will be decieved. At the least, many Christians will probably take the mark for fear of persecution. There are probably many that would tell you that the elect will not be decieved, and therefore no Christian will truly be decieved, but I don't think that the elect in this verse is speaking of Christians in the strict sense of anyone who believes, but rather it is the elect who are obeying Christ, watching for His return and expecting the false Christ to come.

    In street witnessing, we speak with many Christians who are blinded to biblical truths by the spirit of this world. A lot of Christians today don't even read their bibles, much less know what it says in revelation about the antichrist. They figure it will be some guy with horns and 666 on his forehead, and he will probably have a 'I Hate Jesus' T-shirt on. But the bible says that Satan can come as an angel of light. He knows how to decieve even Christians, especially Christians that he has been conditioning through worldly means for many years to accept his lying words as truth.
     
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    I believe there are already many antichrists within the "church" today. I believe THE Antichrist will also come out of the "church". Just as many are decieved by the many antichrists of today, I believe many will be decieved by THE Antichrist and will follow him and his false teachings.
     
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    Yes, the spirit of deception is already at work. The ecumenical movement is taking its toll. I spoke to a gentleman from England Friday night, and he summed it up nicely for me. He believed that Jesus was probably the son of God, and that His death paid for his sins. But that he could not put his beliefs on anyone else. He didn't believe the bible was necessarily anything special. It is a book written by men about God. And hindus and buddhists and muslems are all valid children of the one true God of us all.

    Then there is the 'wherever 2 or more of us are gathered, were having church' crowd. These guys are not being fed because they are not going to church, and they will be prime candidates for the deception.
     
  6. Lori

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    :D We will just have to keep watching. We have the Bible so that should arm us as well as our faith. We also know that we are to test the spirits and that is also very reassuring. Remember also too that anyone teaching *anything* that does not give glory to God in some way or fashion is at best a little astray and at worst teaching false doctrine. I sat in on a Christmas house meeting where they sang songs called the "lost carols" about people that had nothing to do with Jesus. I especially liked the one about the inn keeper who turned away mary and joseph .... :rolleyes: I just kinda wanted to know that we would be unified when that time comes for the Antichrist to take the world stage. We are very split on many things right now.

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    well, there is probably going to be a uniting of brothers and sisters who are here during the tribulation... but the bible says you can miss the tribulation. I would hope you were not planning to be here [​IMG]
     
  8. Lori

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    No not planning on being around for the trib...but I am curious when you say "but the bible says you can miss the tribulation" You are speaking of the rapture right? I think maybe I got a little thrown off by the way you had it worded. I think I gots it now! :D

    I have been thinking for the longest time that I need to write a letter to each person in my life that I feel may not be interested in Christ right now, non-believer, to let them know from my mouth where I've gone when I go up yonder. This one movie I watched the other night had a woman that was so sure the rapture was going to happen that day that she pinned a note to her shirt and when her granddaughter came over to her house read the note and after studying the Bible and tapes became saved. The movie was called Apocolypse. Good film.

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    I really do not think the 'church' will be united until the 2nd advent. This happens long after the rapture. The reason I say this is because the 'ecumenical church' will be deceived and will follow anti-christ. True believers will be gone. Others will see the events unfolding and remember "good ol' aunt Martha's" testimony and finally come to a saving knowledge of Jesus. They will be few and far between and will remain in hiding for fear of anti-christ. Just my take on things...
    BTW I read about one feller who has proposed the proposition that anti-christ will be a militant Muslim. Many of the Scriptural descriptions fit this picture. Killings, theocratic rule, beheadings, the multitudes of people following the doctrine,(i.e. Islam is the fastest growing religion today) and many other things. Not to mention they also look for a coming messiah to return. Would not the world look in awe of a man, muslim, who was able to lead the rest of the muslim world to the peace table with Isreal?
    Just a thought.
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    "Others will see the events unfolding and remember "good ol' aunt Martha's" testimony and finally come to a saving knowledge of Jesus. They will be few and far between and will remain in hiding for fear of anti-christ. Just my take on things..."
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    Considering the amount of noice adherents of the Rapture position have made about their viewpoint, I suspect more than a view people will put 2 and 2 together when people start disappearing en masse.
     
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    Assuming the "rapture" theory correct, even then, not necessarily.

    KJV Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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    I don't think we will ever "agree" on who that Antichrist is. The only thing I can agree on is that it will involve money. But, the antichrist is going to be very good at deception. Although most wont' be fooled there will be some beleivers that will be. It's very sad isn't it?
     
  13. Lori

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    I think it is sad that we may not all agree on who or if this/the antichrist is real. It would be comforting to know that we all eventualy agree before we all get to heaven, however the saying goes different strokes for different folkes.

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  14. R. J.

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    Lori,

    If you are inclined to look into a rather lengthy bible study on the identity of the False Prophet, take a look at this link:

    http://p079.ezboard.com/fthemidweekrapturefrm91.showMessage?topicID=5.topic

    I happen to agree with the author of the bible study as to the person identified but, even if you don't, the study will take you through the scriptures in a most beneficial way.

    As you might surmise from the information in the link, neither the author nor I believe that members of the body of Christ will be around to observe the False Prophet in action.
     
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    I believe the False Prophet of Revelation will be Mohammad, or someone who will claim to be Mohammad resurrected.
     
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    "I thought for sure it would have been Hitler!"---Patt----I mean, Blackbird
     
  17. R. J.

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    Lori,

    Here is a scriptural puzzle for you. When the Antichrist AS A MAN is "wounded to death" (Revelation 13:3), he will lose an arm and an eye. What Old Testament verse reveals this?

    This scriptural fact may very well be the reason that the False Prophet encourages the people to make an image of the resurrected Antichrist which is Satan Incarnate (Revelation 13:14).
     
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    Well R.J. that article was certainly different. [​IMG] Thank-you for sharing it.

    I kinda feel like though that Judas Iscariot is dead, how would he be able to come back to life in the next ___ years/centuries from now? It could be possible maybe that he just plain ole messed up and let satan get a strong hold on him to where he decided 30 pieces of silver was worth more than Jesus. I dunno. I also think the Bible mentiones that the antic will have Roman bground, so maybe my area of thinking is flawed here, but could not also his false prophet also have that same sort of bg?

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    Lori,

    Moses died but most likely will return as one of the two witnesses. Remember, Michael the Archangel fought with Satan for Moses body.

    There will be many resurrections at the rapture so one shouldn't be surprised if God resurrected Judas Iscariot to be the False Prophet.

    As to your surmising about the Antichrist arising out of a "Revived Roman Empire", a very strong biblical case can be made for him arising out of a "Revived Grecian Empire". There is actually no scriptural support for his arising out of a "Revived Roman Empire". That entire THEORY comes from the SUPPOSITIONS of MAN based upon HISTORICAL CONTINUANCE (i.e. the supposition is that the "iron legs" of Daniel's image is the Roman Empire. Therefore, the "feet and toes" is the "Revived Roman Empire"). There is no scriptural prooftext for this supposition. MAN has "concluded" this simply because the Roman Empire FOLLOWED the Grecian Empire in HISTORY.

    Scripture does indicate that the Antichrist will come from the northern kingdom (i.e. He is the "King of the North") of the Grecian Empire. AFTER Alexander the Great died his empire was divided into four kingdoms, Greece [West], Turkey [North], Syria [East] and Egypt [South]. You can see the transition FROM one prophetic time (which has now past) TO another prophetic time (which is still future) in the book of Daniel.

    So, the Antichrist will arise out of what we know today as Turkey. Keep in mind that the apostle John writes of Satan's home in Revelation. It is in Pergamos, Turkey.
     

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