Antinomianism

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  1. Dale-c

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    In response to the legalism thread, what about antinomianism?

    I consider myself opposed to legalism in it's varied forms for many reasons.

    One of the reasons is that those under the bondage of legalism often resort to antinomianism once they realize the error of legalism.


    God's law is still binding on us today.
    Just because men add things like don't do xyz does not mean we can live just anyway we want.
     
  2. abcgrad94

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    What do you mean by "God's law?" Could you please elaborate?

    The way I see it, we have two commandments to live by: Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind; love your neighbor as yourself.

    The balance between extra-biblical standards and living any way you please is what "thus saith the Lord." Adding or taking away from God's word will put you out of balance.
     
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    Well, the ten commandments for starters.
    I do not believe we are still under all of hte OT law but we are under God's moral law.

    It is still wrong to steal.
    We are not still required to punish theft in the same way Isreal would have done it but that does not negate the law.

    What you have stated is the summation of the law but how do we love the Lord with all of our hearts?
    How do we love our neighbors?

    All of GOd's law can be summed up in those two things but God must have the right to decide how that is done.

    Otherwise we have people in sin saying that it is not loving to warn them of the wrath of God.
     
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    Good post ABC... but I will emphasize something deeper...
    Adding or taking away from God's word will not only put you out of balance, but will put you in HELL.

    Revelation 22:18-19
    (18) I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
    (19) And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
     
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    Hmm, let me see. Stealing wouldn't be a loving thing to do, but keeping my yard neat and my dogs up might be.

    Sleeping with my neighbor, wouldn't be the kind of love God speaks of, especially if he had a wife, but helping him find a place to sleep might be.

    Oh, I know, I just read this a little while ago. We have a definition of what is loving:

    1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
    1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
    1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
    1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
    1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.


    There is enough guidance in those few verses for us to decide if our actions are loving toward our neighbors or not.

    Loving God is similar. When we love our neighbors enough to show them Christ, we are acting on the love we have for the Lord.
     
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    Antinomianism is the idea that believers are under no obligation to obey the laws of ethics or morality. While it's true that adherence to the law for the purpose of attaining salvation is necessary, adherence to the spirit of the law out of respect and obedience to the lawgiver is not only appropriate, it's generally righteous behavior. Therefore, antinomianism is not consistent with mainline Christian faith and practice.
     
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    Excuse me? :confused:
     
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    Oops! That should have read "isn't necessary". I need to learn to type.
     
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    And there is no one, apart from the man Jesus, who had been able to do that, from day one, to last day. That is why we need Christ.
     
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    ==You might find more technical answers to your question in this thread or in various textbooks (etc). However I would simply say that antinomianism is the belief that a person can profess salvation, live like the devil, and still expect to be in heaven when he/she dies. The Bible, of course, openly rejects such teaching (Eph 5:3-7, Gal 5:19-21, 1Jn 3:9-10). The major promoters of antinomianism today are: the late Zane Hodges, Bob Wilkin, Joseph Dillow, and almost anyone who aligns him/herself with the Grace Evangelical Society (GES). Sadly, Tony Evans has endorsed this group. He even dedicated his book, "Totally Saved", to Zane Hodges. I don't know if I would say that Evans is antinomian, but he is certainly coming close.

    The best refutation of this modern antinomianism comes from John MacArthur (The Gospel According to Jesus, The Gospel According to The Apostles, Hard To Believe, etc). However there are other good works out there as well. One of the best was the debate between James White and Bob Wilkin.
     
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    We (the born-again of the Spirit) are NOT under the law but led of the Spirit.

    Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

    The Spirit will never lead you into sin, you do that on your own when you fail to heed His leading and walk after the desires of your flesh.

    The Law is/was meant for the unregenerate to control their natural evil inclinations:

    1 Timothy 1
    9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
    10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars,
    for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;​


    However, there is another guiding principle for the children of God:

    Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

    Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.​

    This applies to questionable things, the use of alcohol, tobacco, etc.​

    If you can't do something in faith without waivering then it's a sin for you.​

    We all NEED to strengthen ourselves with the Word of God.​

    1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:​

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.​


    Then go on to the meat of the Word:​

    Hebrews 5
    12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
    13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
    14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.​

    1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

    Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.​

    HankD​
     
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    I don't think antinomianism is the opposite of legalism; it's just another false belief regarding salvation and the life God has called us to live as believers.

    Maybe someone who knows history of the early church can confirm or deny this, but wasn't antinominianism a result of false teaching by the early Gnostics who said that since only the spirit matters/is good, then one can do what one pleases? Examples are overindulgence in sensual pleasures, such as treating the Lord's Supper as a drunken feast, sexual immorality, and belief that only salvation of the spirit matters (ignoring that we are saved body/soul/mind) because the spirit is divorced from the body.
     
  13. HankD

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    I believe that is correct Marcia and today that concept translates in the twenty first century as those who "know about" Christ rather than knowing Him personally through the witness of the Spirit and vice versa.

    HankD
     
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    It's not a matter of opinion. It's a point of fact. Antinomianism is NOT the opposite of legalism.
     
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    You have grossly misrepresented GES in this post. While I do not agree with their eschatology (Millenial Exclusion), they do NOT believe what you state they do.
     
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    At what point do we measure out morality as to define what is and what isn't moral? And we should know the Bible is our guide in all matters of life and taught to us by the lives ofthose in its volume, yet people demand it to be spelled out or it is just "opinion".

    David not being in the battle the day he lusted after Bathsheba; what all immoral actions did he do that day?

    1st, it would be the immoral act of him staying behind and not going to battle, but we focus on the BIG immoral act of lust, then adultery.

    I know, I know, I'm a legalist who hates everybody who doesn't comply with my standards. No one is right with God but me and my friends I fellowship with, on a basis of inspecting every little thing they do or say before I have to separate from them. I am holier than anyone who doesn't fit in my cubilce and that is yet to be confirmed.
     
  17. HankD

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    Don't be concerned paul. On that last day you will answer to the Lord alone and not anyone on the BB.

    HankD
     
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    Thanks Brother Hank for a civil response to my tongue in cheek comments
     
  19. HankD

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    You are not alone, I've been there brother.

    But we all have to one degree or another.

    HankD
     

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