Any body know when Passover is this year?

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  1. ituttut

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    The Passover this year is a long way off from the churches Ishtar worship.
     
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    Passover begins on the 23rd of next month.
     
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    Amen Gershom. The eve of Passover is the 23rd of next month. Really hard for me to figure out why the churches seem to think it is this month. Whatever the masses believe, they will believe.

    Don't know if you agree, but they have no idea of when Jesus was born, and have no idea what day or month He died, what day He arose, or what the day after Passover is.

    What ever you believe, at least you do know that Easter will always be in April, not a day made by and for man to worship what they will. Christian faith ituttut Galatians 1:11-12.
     
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    While my family and I don't partake in a "formal" Passover tradition, we do remember and give thanks for our Passover Lamb, the Lord Jesus Christ - Yahshua HaMashiach.

    The origin and traditional celebratory worship in regards to Easter do not allow my conscience to partake in such a festival. That's not to say that Christians actively participate in idol worship in honoring Ishtar or Aphrodite. I don't believe they do, but the origins of the festival is enough to steer me away. To each his own, I reckon.
     
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    Easter is March 27th this year. ;)
     
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    Passover is never the same date, it changes from year to year.
    This site gives some help.
    http://www.infoplease.com/spot/movablefeasts1.html

    Apparently the Jews aren't sure either about Passover, becasue they add months to the year to make sure it falls when they want it too.
    http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/passover/passoverdate.html

    I don't really care what anyone thinks about the name of easter,or even the date, all I care about is it is the celebration of the resurection of Jesus, it is where people's focus is brought to the cross, over and above everday. It is when we have extra chance to witness to people about this holiday they celebrate and know nothing about.
    I don't really care about those who want to refuse the rest of us the right to celebrate Jesus.
     
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    AMEN Donna [​IMG]
     
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    Amen to each His own. It's just that there is no scripture for what the church does in the name of HaAdon Yeshua HaMashiach. Christian faith ituttut Galatians 1:11-12
     
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    Easter is March 27th this year. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, I am cognizant that the church moved the date to accommodate others. That is what bothers me. Passover must occur in our month of April.
     
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    May perhaps sometime read those Website’s, but His Word is sufficient for purposes at hand. Too much word of man only confuses biblical issues.

    It is not only about the date, but the days. Yes, understand that the day is not always the same, but the month must be our April. Also, if we are to believe Gods Word, Passover always occurs on the 14th day of Nisan, or our April. That means this year, shouldn’t you be observing only the four days involved according to actual events. Why don’t you move it from the Mother churches pagan holiday, over to the Word of God. You are about a month ahead of schedule. The real Passover begins at 6PM, according to the time of the Jew, on April 23, 2005. Did Jesus Christ give His OK on the move? Peter, John, or Paul?

    Your Christmas annual Holy Anniversary date is wrong, as is your annual Holy Anniversary week of His death and resurrection. I don’t understand how Christians take the word of a church, and a church we would not think about joining. Who started this “Good Friday” business anyway? Did Baptist talk about a "Good Friday" in the 1920's, 30 - 40 - 50'? That information may be on someone's Website.

    It would greatly help if you can furnish scripture to back up Jesus really meant 1 1/2 days (36 hours) that He would be in the tomb, instead of 3 full days, and nights, for a total of 72 hours as He said He would.

    I wasn't aware I was refusing you your rights. You sound like a strong supporter of the ACLU. You can believe and worship whom you will, and I will. But as a Christian it is my duty to inform of error. I cannot help what others believe, but I’ve done what He has chosen for me to do. Present His Word, correctly divided.

    If I am wrong, please prove it. Please read Leviticus 23:5-7, and Matthew 12:40. Does anyone disagree with these verses? If so how do they, or perhaps you in original thought, explain away His Word?
     
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    Thanks. Have not read. From its title, I believe I know its contents. We all need to reduce that lumber in our eyes. I’m still working on becoming perfect. I have run into some who believe they have always been that way, and they like to point out other’s faults.

    Perhaps if you wish to put into nice words what you think of me, I’ll, as always, be happy to lovingly in Christ respond.
     
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    This year in Jerusalem, on (Gregorian date) April 25, 'sunrise' will be at 5:59 a.m. and 'sunset' at 7:14 p.m. 3 days later, April 28, 'sunrise' will be at 5:56 a.m. and 'sunset' at 7:16 p.m. If you want to claim that Jesus was in the tomb for 72 hours-- absolutely no more, no less-- he would have had to begin that stay with about 2 minutes less time in day #1 than the time he emerged in day #2, in which case it was impossible for the daylight hours to be equal with one another, as well as the nighttime hours. IOW the days were not exactlly 24 hours.

    But that is not as significant as the fact that He said he would rise on the third day-- Matthew 16:21, Luke 9:22. If he did wait a full 72 hours, then he rose on the 4th day.

    You should be able to see that scripture is not technical about hours and minutes in that manner, but rather it's meaning is that "day" is the time when the sun is apparent, and "night" is the time that it is not. Therefore, the day Jesus was laid in the tomb was the first day and on day #3 he rose.

    If you disagree with this, remember you stated that "...3 full days, and nights, for a total of 72 hours..." So it's one or the other--- he was in the tomb short of 72 hours, or else it could not have been before the 4th day that he rose.
     
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    PASSOVER begins on Sunday April 24th.

    The Egyptian's noted that over the millennia their seasons began shifting; the normal spring holidays eventually became summer then fall holidays over the course of a couple of hundred years.

    Rather late in Jewish history (C.E. 359) they began attempting to correct their calendar so this wouldn’t happen to their religious holidays. The correction isn’t quite as accurate as our solar calendar but approximates it.

    For Jew’s this year is a leap year. There is a corrective month added; two months of Adar (Adar I and Adar II). In non-leap years the month is just called Adar.

    The years are counted from the creation of Adam; this year is 5765.
    (They must be wrong, they don’t agree with “Answers in Genesis”)

    Rob
     
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    To continue...

    The (obscure) point of my post above attempts to say is that because the Jews originally used a lunar calendar and later adopted a modified lunar calandar (to prevent the shifting of the passover into other seasons due to the lunar 360 day year) the Passover date has changed anyway.

    To argue that Easter honors a pagan diety is baiting the point.

    ...no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
    things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
    (Col 2:16, 17 NAS).

    Rob
     
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    This year in Jerusalem, on (Gregorian date) April 25, 'sunrise' will be at 5:59 a.m. and 'sunset' at 7:14 p.m. 3 days later, April 28, 'sunrise' will be at 5:56 a.m. and 'sunset' at 7:16 p.m. If you want to claim that Jesus was in the tomb for 72 hours-- absolutely no more, no less-- he would have had to begin that stay with about 2 minutes less time in day #1 than the time he emerged in day #2, in which case it was impossible for the daylight hours to be equal with one another, as well as the nighttime hours. IOW the days were not exactlly 24 hours.

    But that is not as significant as the fact that He said he would rise on the third day-- Matthew 16:21, Luke 9:22. If he did wait a full 72 hours, then he rose on the 4th day.

    You should be able to see that scripture is not technical about hours and minutes in that manner, but rather it's meaning is that "day" is the time when the sun is apparent, and "night" is the time that it is not. Therefore, the day Jesus was laid in the tomb was the first day and on day #3 he rose.

    If you disagree with this, remember you stated that "...3 full days, and nights, for a total of 72 hours..." So it's one or the other--- he was in the tomb short of 72 hours, or else it could not have been before the 4th day that he rose.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Alcott. Thanks for the reply.

    Oh, but God is very meticulous when He speaks. We are to believe what He says. It has everything to do about split second timing. Please bear with me for a moment.

    Let’s begin with the day. We are a pagan world today. We are living in The Time of the Gentiles. When Jesus was on this earth they were living in the “Time of the Gentiles” in that day. But at that dispensation, Jesus and every Israelite adhered to their “Calendar”’; their time, and their dates. The Temple was still standing and there was a nation of Israel at that time. Can we accuse Jesus of not knowing how to keep time of His nation’s days and months? So the Passover day, and month will never change. So what ever the Pagan world tries to place as an obstruction to this fact can never change when the Passover and resurrection is to be observed.

    These times that Jesus speaks of are the same as in the days at the beginning, of Noah’s day, in Esther’s day, in David’s day, and in the days of Jonah. Jesus knew three days and three nights, made a full day. He knew exactly how many hours, minutes, and seconds would be in those three days down to an Atom measurement or less. We don’t, and can’t know this, but we have to have some measure to go by, so we take what we know. We can take 30 minutes if necessary, but what is important as you say is the day. But we are going to use our 24-hour day to make it simple enough for me to understand.

    Because we must believe what the Catholic church eventually bought into there mist, we then must find some reason to obey their command of a “Good Friday”, dismissing what Jesus said. It would seem prudent to me to try my dead level best to first try Jesus, and prove Him before jumping off the deep end.

    I believe everybody on this board, and I find the same on the Calvinistic boards, they contend they believe what Jesus Christ said on this earth, but when He speaks from Heaven through Paul, they are not so sure, but this is for another subject. With this thought in mind though, i.e., believing every Word that Jesus said while on this earth, I have to ask, do we really believe Him? Here is a little test, I like to apply:
     
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    ituttut - around our neck of the woods, hyper-dispensationalist (Oharite cult) or Grace Church as they like to be called do not claim to be Baptist.

    Matter of fact, water baptism would be anathema to them. You claim that type of belief and bring it into this totally unrelated topic. Just wondering what you believe.

    Would you go to the Theology forum and post a 2-paragraph summary on what would differentiate you from most Baptists?

    Thanks.
     
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    If you read the passage you cited, you will see that Jesus did not include the word "full." That is your word. And it remains that if He did indeed remain there for 3 24-hour periods, then he arose on the 4th day, instead of the 3rd, which would contradict Matthew 16:21... in fact, your insistence of "hours, minutes and seconds...down to Atom measurements" leaves no possibility of there NOT being a contradiction.
     
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    Hello to you deacon. But who is judging whom in these matters. I do not judge, but only show that those that follow in the “religious ceremonial rites” of the Catholic church condemn those that are centered on Jesus Christ. A few others and me are in the minority you know. Isn’t it safe to say we that are not of the mass of worshipers are considered being ignorant of His Word. The substance is in Christ and not what we do down here trying our best to obey the Holy Days made by and for man.

    As you know, one verse is very difficult to stand alone, even though some do. The one you present cannot stand by itself. I had never put all of this together before, so I appreciate you putting forward this verse. This just strengthens greatly my accepting Paul as my main source of information. Christ gave Him his gospel, he is my personal Apostle, and Paul encourages all to believe his gospel.

    KJV Col2:14. All ordinances are nailed to the Cross. Those that keep ordinances of the Catholic church please read Galatians 4:10-11 -”Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. This also applied to the Jew wishing to go back under the law of ordinances, and law. All of this stuff distracts us from Christ Jesus, and we are into DAY Worshipping, of whenever, and whatever pleases US.
    15 – Christ triumphed over all of them.
    16 – No man to judge those that will not do any type of ordinance (Lord’s Supper is not an ordinance, but a request to remember Him). If half of your church would say, we are not coming to Easter services, what would you think – honestly? Wouldn’t you question them of not joining in with the ceremonialism worship on that special One Day of the Year service? As one said in this thread this Holy Day of which they have no idea of when it was, and don’t care, is what they hold “over and above everyday. “ Isn’t this worshipping an Unknown Day, and has nothing to do with what Jesus requested us to do. People may worship as they wish, as we are to worship Him individually. We are not His nation Israel, all being commanded to observe ordinances of “strange Holy Days. If some church had not thought up the two Holy Days, no one individual would have ever come up with the idea. Not unless they got mixed with an angel in verse 18.
    To be continued
     
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    Hi deacon. Have been trying off and on to post a reply the last coupld of hours. It won't take it all, so cut down to this, to see if this will make it through. Maybe tomorrow. Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12
     

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