Any such thing as Satan's music?

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  1. rufus

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    Having been a pastor for over 30 years, and having been raised on gospel quartet and church hymnals, I haven't been exposed to much else. My wife likes some of the modern gospel contemporay.

    Music experts, I'm just wondering if Satan has his brand of music? Would it be accepted in the church today?

    Please help so I can help my youth and young people develope discernment.

    Thanks.

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  2. dianetavegia

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    HI Rufus, Here's a link to a webpage that has lots of writings about music and some lyrics too. There's lots on contemporary and hard rock Christian music too. Also, game reviews, movie review, etc.

    http://www.almenconi.com/
     
  3. Mike McK

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    Air Supply.
     
  4. Alcott

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    Why are you asking that question to people you don't even know on a message board? Look for it in the Bible. I cannot recall a verse of scripture which says Satan has 'his' type of music, let alone a description of just what that music is. If it is not there, what reason is there to believe it exits?
     
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    The Bible says when we get saved we are to come out of the world. We are to abstain from worldly things. Does it apear worldly? DO the people singing it make godly statements? Do they look worldly, talk worldly, act worldly?
    ANd the next test would be WWJD. What would Jesus do when he heard some of the "New" music? Would you like for the Lord to return with you listening to such?
    Dosn't the Bible say something about praiseing Him with Psalms and spiritual hymns? OH, i agree some music is of a spirit alright...just not of the same spirit that dwells in the believer.
    Rock music. Is that stuff godly? Would you mix it with "Christian" lyrics? How can God and the devil be part of the same thing?
    I still think the old way works just fine. IMO, I'm against the CCM movement. If I ever hear it, I just want to cringe. Give me the old paths anyday!
    Do I believe there is a such things as Satan's music? Well of course. He's out to get any and all he can. The Bible describes him as a lion seeking whom he may devour.
    Does it get in the churches? I believe so.
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  6. Mike McK

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    It's not. They complain about extra Biblical sources, then they turn around and add all sorts of things to Scripture.
     
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    The problem is, what is "worldly" is largely subjective.

    I've asked several people who call contemporary music "worldly" what "worldly" is and not one of them can tell us.

    Again, this is subjective. What appears "worldly" to one person may be completely different to someone of another culture or background.

    What if they're not Christian or religious? What if they're making musc for the sake of art or entertainment, rather than for religious purposes?

    Again, define "worldly".

    What, like He doesn't know what you're listening to now?

    I have no problem with Jesus knowing that I listen to Jimmy Buffett, Little Feat, Buddy Miller, etc.

    Actually, it's "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs".

    The problem is, there's no Biblical definition of these things that precludes rock or contemporary music.

    Some is. Some isn't.

    Sure. Why not?

    They can't but you're question assumes that rock music is from the Devil and you haven't demonstrated that.

    Furthermore, yes, God can use the things of the Devil to bring about His will.

    That's just you're opinion and, while I'll suport your rght to appreciate whatever kind of music you like, it's not right to condemn music based on personal taste.
     
  8. Su Wei

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    If the argument is that it is hard to define what "worldly" is and therefore justify that any kind of music is okay, is to ignore the warnings of the Lord that there is such a thing as "the world" which we are to avoid, and even count as an enemy!

    Anyway, here's my definition of what "worldly" is:
    "John 15:18-19 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

    The world will hate Christ and everything He stands for. If the world embraces it, it is not of God. Examples i can think of, Michael W. Smith, Amy Grant. If they can make it to the Top of the Pops, something is wrong because the world would love its own.

    [ February 21, 2003, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Su Wei ]
     
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    "Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."


    The Bible has much to say about the world, its devilish control, system and philosophy. And how we as Christians are to be separated from it and know where we stand in the world. In the world but not of the world

    "Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

    with all due respect, in all likelihood, if one is not living a separated life, one will not understand the meaning of the above verses.

    This i say from personal experience. THe previous church i went to never preached separation. "Be ye not conformed to this world" was a verse i knew in my head but it never occured to me how it is to be practised in a practical way.

    Well, i've not stepped into a movie theatre or a bar for almost a decade now. I know what Harry Potter and Decaprio and Charmedv and whatever else the world has as its playthings are about, as "head knowledge" but i'm not "partaking" in the pleasures thereof.

    Sincerely,
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    I agree with Alcott - I don't know of any Biblical reference to "Satan's music". Therefore, in my view, we cannot say unequivocally that any kind of music (NOT lyrics, but the actual music) is satanic.

    That being said, I will let you know that for me, country & western is the one kind of music that makes me cringe every time I hear the sound - let alone the lyrics about "cheatin' hearts" and "done me wrong"! If it were my decision, I would ban it ALL as being from the devil (just kidding, folks!). And seeing as how I live in the backwoods of the Missouri Ozarks, you know how much of it I have to listen to......

    All joking aside, I have yet to see anyone bring up a point I often ponder. When the followers of Jesus sang their praises - what type of music do you think they sang? My guess is that it was the currently popular style of their era, among others. And how much would you bet that the Pharisees were fuming and snorting about "that devil music" they were singing!

    Any song that praises our Lord and His greatness meets the Biblical standard, since style is not specified. We can say whatever we want about "being in the world but not of it" but this was not specifically directed at music; rather, it is intended to show us that even while we have to live here, we should have that something "different" about ourselves as a person that makes the world want what we have! Like joy, peace, ..... well, you know what I am talking about.

    Now, if you want to talk about God's music - bring on the classical!

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  11. Su Wei

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    Well, i am a hymns person by DECISION. If i went by personal taste, it'd be U2. But i have renounced that kind of music.
     
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    1 Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

    Can you imagine playing R&B or jazz to a group of soldiers before they go to war?
    :rolleyes:
     
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    "1 Samuel 16:14-23 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him. Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep. And Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul. And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer. And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight. And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him."

    So music (minus the lyrics) affects our spirits.
     
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    With all due respect, the Bible is also not mentioned in the Bible so what reason is there to believe it exists?
    ;)

    There are many things that God has to say about music and we just have to search out the heart of God on the matter.
     
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    That's not the argument at all.

    Well, that certainly clears that up. :rolleyes:

    So then, anyone who recives recognition for their music is not of God, regardless of the music itself?
     
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    I agree and we've been over this in a coupdozen threads but the Bible still doesn' define what it is to be "worldly".

    That's too bad. You've missed a lot of great, Biblically themed movies that really drive home the Gospel in a thought provoking and entertaining way.

    Wha wrong with U2? Many of their songs contain Biblical themes.

    I agree but this is about what music belongs to Satan.

    You've said that rock music is bad, yet you haven't demonstrated how.

    Yes. I can see playing a wide variety of R&B to soldiers as they go to war.

    Con Funk Shun, The Isley Brothers, The J.B.'s, Fatback Band, War, Slave, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, P-Funk All Stars, The Ohio Players, The Gap Band.

    I can definitely see our Marines taking Bahgdad while George Clinton's "I Pledge Allegiance to the Funk" plays in the background.

    By the way, I saw George Clinton here a couple of months ago. Great show. If you ever get the chance to see him, by all means, go.

    I can also see playing Gustav Holst's "Mars, the Bringer of War" to soldiers or better yet, play it from the helicopter the way Lt Col William "Wild Bill" Kilgore did in "Apocolypse Now".

    That was the reason Charlie don't surf.

    (yeah, I know he played "Ride of the Valkyries")

    First of all, that's not true.

    Jesus, Paul and Timothy all mentioned it. Not to mention the dozens of times it's mentioned in the OT.

    [ February 22, 2003, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: Mike McK ]
     
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    Just for the sake of argument, let's all assume there is such a thing as satan's music (ooga booga). Or if not satan's music, evil music.

    How would you define it? Seriously, not Air Supply or The Carpenters, but what basic elements would be needed to create music that was without question identifiable as evil?
     
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    Thank YOU for understanding my original post! I really do need help, helping my youth and young people. God Bless!

    rufus :confused:
     

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