Anyone read Al Franken's book...

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  1. ScottEmerson

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    Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them. He comes up pretty hard on Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly, and other journalists. I'm about a quarter of the way through, and it's pretty revealing stuff. Anyone else had a chance to read it?
     
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    Nope. Not worth my money, time, or energy. He is so far left that he has no credibility with me. He was, however, very funny on SNL at one time. If only he stuck with what he knew.

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    Did anyone here him speak at the National Press Club about a month ago? Brilliant speaker.
     
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    Yes, he's very knowledgeable & well-spoken.

    And funny.
     
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    I have heard him speak several times on CSpan and found him to demonstrate a lack of thinking skills. He is not a critical thinker. He is by nature a showman, not an analyst and when your life is made up of getting laughs, you go for that. He seems more interested in getting jab in at his opponents than drawing logical conclusions about issues. I assume his book his more of the same. Unfortunately, this is typical of much of the political dialogue today.
     
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    Actually, his book may surprise your Pastor Larry. He's actually done loads of research on the issues, and employs 18 Harvard students to assist with his work. I may disagree with his conclusions, but his methodology, at least in this book, is spot-on.
     
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    For me,

    it wouldn't matter how much research he did, he has no credibility with me. There is no way I would ever take such an extremist liberal like him seriously. He was funny at one time to the mainstream of society. That time is over. Now, the only people I know who take him seriously or who find him funny are the extreme militant wacko left wing in this country who have a deep burning hatred for Bush and conservatives in general. This certainly appeals to the core of the Democratic Party of today, but does not reflect the ideas of mainstream America.

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    I guess the question then: Can facts be disregarded, merely because of those who did the research? His book actually isn't that funny at all. He's exposing people in the media and in politics as those who are less than truthful. Pretty much the same thing that Rush and Hannity have been doing for awhile. Franken just has different "targets."
     
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    One's credibility does matter, to me, at least. If they have a history of acting like hate-filled left wing wackos with an axe to grind against conservatives, they lose all credibility with me. This is exactly what Franken is. Like I said, there was a time when he was funny to mainstream America. His character Jack Handy was absolutely hillarious. He has, however, ceased to be funny and relevant in society.

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    No. He's an idiot. Why waste my time?
     
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    So ones politics cancel out any facts that they may be able to show or bring to light? For example, Bill O'Reilly has said more than a few time on his television show that he was an independent, and has always been one. It's a stance that he takes in order to "prove" that he doesn't really have a political agenda.

    Franken and his researcher went and uncovered his actual voters registration card, which showed quite clearly that he was a registered Republican.

    Does this matter? Perhaps not. But it goes to show that Bill O'Reilly lied in this matter, and his credibility is quite tied up to what he says about himself.

    This is just one example (the one i could think of off the top of my head) where the facts of the case are important - not the politics. Facts are facts. It is what we do with them that show where we stand politically. I don't care (and neither does he) what you think of him personally, but you can't ignore the facts that he has uncovered about so many of those who the Right respects.
     
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    So ones politics cancel out any facts that they may be able to show or bring to light? </font>[/QUOTE]Yep. If they are militant left wing wackos like Franken, that excludes them from being taken seriously by me.

    For example, Bill O'Reilly has said more than a few time on his television show that he was an independent, and has always been one. It's a stance that he takes in order to "prove" that he doesn't really have a political agenda. [/QUOTE]

    I don't agree with Bill O' Rielly on everything. But, one thing I can say about him is that he is not a militant extremist hate-filled wacko left wing nut. He certainly has more credibility when he speaks than does Franken. He is not on the fringe like Franken.

    Franken and his researcher went and uncovered his actual voters registration card, which showed quite clearly that he was a registered Republican. [/QUOTE]

    Is that legal? Aren't voter registration cards supposed to be confidential? I think this might also show that not only is Franken a fringe left wing nut, but an immoral one as well, further diminishing his credibility.

    Does this matter? Perhaps not. But it goes to show that Bill O'Reilly lied in this matter, and his credibility is quite tied up to what he says about himself. [/QUOTE]

    Actuallly, all it says is that he voted for Republicans in past elections. I think Independents are allowed to do that, you know.

    I don't care (and neither does he) what you think of him personally,[/QUOTE]

    I don't care if you or he cares either. You asked a question, I answered and told why, and now you are attacking me. This is pretty typical of closed-minded fringe liberal wackos. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

    but you can't ignore the facts that he has uncovered about so many of those who the Right respects. [/QUOTE]

    I certainly can when they are presented by fringe left wing nuts who lack credibility.

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    It would appear that some information on the Voter Registration Card is open to the public:

    "Voting records are kept at the County Clerk's or Registrar of Voters office. As of January 1995 only limited amounts of voter registration information are public record: your name, city, ZIP code, post office box (if applicable) and party affiliation."

    However,

    "Other data, including your home address, telephone number, occupation, precinct number, and prior registration information are confidential. The sealed information is released if your vote is challenged."

    So, if they searched out his current records at the time, they were within the bounds of the law. If they, on the other hand, searched out past voting records, they did something illiegal.

    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs11-pub.htm

    Either way, their discovery is meaningless. He may have changed his mind. He may have just decided, as an independent is certainly allowed to do, to vote Republican. Tell me, if one says they are a Democrat, are they not allowed to vote for anyone but a Democrat? Are they that cultish in their mindset?

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    Scott, I think Larry was just disagreeing with me because of some stuff going on in the C/A forum. He's getting a little upset over there, even deleted one of my threads.
     
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    No. He's an idiot. Why waste my time? </font>[/QUOTE]You are too kind. He's a moron. "His" book was funded by the left, researched by the left, and anyone who trusts his political "research" is selling themselves short.

    And was never that funny.

    Funny how the left hates Ann Coulter, who is one of the more brilliant speakers of our day, and much funnier that Al Franken.
     
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    O'Reilly said that he had had never registered Republican. He was caught in his lie. There are plenty of other instances, such as when he said that he had never compared Mein Kampf and the Koran (when a quick transcript search showed that to be untrue as well.) Should we not hold Republicans to the same moral standards as "liberal wackos?" I believe that we should.
     
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    So you don't care about the truth, if it's spoken by someone you disagree with.

    Franken in general isn't speaking politically. He's showing facts. If the research is there, then what is to be afraid of?

    It's legal, so we'll ignore this comment.

    No, it says that he lied in saying that he had never been a registered Republican. Much, much different.

    Already jumping to this, are we? I didn't attack you in any way - I just made note of the fact that truth is truth regardless of personal opinion. Whether you like Al or not doesn't change Truth.

    Then look at the evidence. The evidence is quite incriminating, and the facts that are presented are very hard to rebut. Truth is truth, no matter who the person is who is saying it. Even if it is Al Franken.
     
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    I have plenty of fiction to read already [​IMG]
     
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    I stand corrected.
     
  20. Pastor Larry

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    [​IMG] I wasn't responding to you at all. I didn't even know you posted here. I didn't see the National Press Club deal.
     

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