AP Photo: Checkpoint Cops Point Guns at Americans’ Heads

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    Fallujah-style security comes to Sacramento

    After a gang member shot and injured several law enforcement officials before going into hiding in a Sacramento suburb on Friday, police responded by setting up a checkpoint and aiming guns at innocent people’s heads, an AP photo shows.

    The photo, (credited to AP Photo/The Sacramento Bee, Randall Benton) is captioned, “A California Highway Patrol officer and another emergency responder stop a vehicle at a checkpoint near the neighborhood where a federal immigration officer was shot and three local police officers were wounded during a violent confrontation with a suspect in the Sacramento suburb of Roseville on Friday, Oct. 25, 2013.”

    After an hours-long standoff, the suspect, 32-year-old gang member Samuel Nathan Duran, eventually surrendered after leaving a nearby house in which he had been holed up.

    The felon responsible for the shootings was a wanted parolee and was already known to police having been seen riding a bike earlier in the day. His description would have been well circulated and known intimately by those tasked with hunting him down.

    So why were Americans innocently driving their cars through the suburb of Roseville subjected to treatment that wouldn’t have looked out of place in Stalinist Russia, or more recently in Iraq or Afghanistan?

    As we saw during the Boston bombings manhunt, in complete violation of law, police seem to believe that so long as they are hunting a potentially dangerous suspect, the Constitution is null and void, and that martial law is in effect.

    http://www.infowars.com/ap-photo-checkpoint-cops-point-guns-at-americans-heads/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLg-iO1TBZA
     
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    It's a sensationalist-looking photo, and enough to get anyone's blood pressure up, and perhaps -- perhaps -- an over-reaction. Then again ...

    Officers constantly face the unknown. They never know who will start shooting and who won't.
    I can't fault officers for taking precautions, even if on first blush it looks like a gross over-reaction. And by the way, in the photo, the officer's trigger finger is clearly at least four inches outside the trigger guard. There isn't going to be an accidental shooting in that instance.
     
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    Lawsuit: Ark. Cop Chased and Tased Woman After She Refused to Show Him Her Breasts -

    California: Mentally ill prisoners forced from cells with pepper spray - November 1st, 2013

    Video Captures Cop’s Alleged Excessive Force Against Chicago Woman - October 10th, 2013

    13-year-old with replica assault rifle was shot 7 times in 10 seconds - October 25th, 2013

    Woman Endures Strip Search and Jail Time For Overdue Traffic Ticket - October 25th, 2013

    Police Officer Arrested For Stealing Pair of Air Jordans During Drug Raid - October 23rd, 2013

    Rise in Cops Killing the Mentally Ill - October 23rd, 2013

    Who Will Protect You from the Police? The Rise of Government-Sanctioned Home Invasions - October 22nd, 2013

    Cop caught on camera knocking over kids’ basketball hoop - October 18th, 2013

    Video: Dallas Cop Shoots Mentally Ill Man Standing Perfectly Still - October 18th, 2013

    Police in Florida suburb make millions from drug sting operations, report finds - October 14th, 2013

    Wisconsin Cops STEAL Families’ Bail Money - October 14th, 2013

    Probation Officer Shoots Terrier Because It Wouldn’t Follow His “Verbal Commands To Get Back” - October 11th, 2013

    Threatened with Sex Offender Registry for Streaking at Football Game, Teenage Boy Commits Suicide - October 11th, 2013

    Woman Calls 911 For Diabetic Fiance, Police Shoot And Kill Man Upon Arrival - October 8th, 2013

    Transforming America’s Schools into Authoritarian Instruments of Compliance - October 8th, 2013

    America’s police are looking more and more like the military - October 7th, 2013

    Jail time for selling raw milk is greater than jail time for raping children - October 4th, 2013

    Video Captures Cop’s Alleged Excessive Force Against Chicago Woman - October 10th, 2013

    Riot Control: DHS Spends $500,000 on Fully Automatic Pepper Spray Launchers

    And that's just a few articles from last month, I saved the best for last . . .

    After illustrating their enthusiasm for repealing the Bill of Rights, a video shows Americans happily signing a petition to support a “Nazi-style Orwellian police state,” in what easily represents the most shocking footage of its kind to date.

    Americans Sign Petition to Support “Nazi-Style Orwellian Police State” - October 21st, 2013

    (To keep everybody safe)
     
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    You can show those twenty events in which police officers made bad judgments or broke the law. And, by your own words, those are in the last month.

    How many more times a day do police have contact with criminals? And how many more times do they make the right choices, saving lives, taking "bad guys" off the street, and generally not being idiots? Your events are miniscule in comparative numbers, though obviously not miniscule in public awareness. Nonetheless, it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that the police officers in this country make thousands of right decisions in dangerous situations every month, as opposed to your 20 idiots in the same time frame.

    Would you disagree?
     
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    I would say there are some good cops out there and bad cops out there. It's not the cops that I see as the problem. It's this whole system that feeds off fear to increase the state's (govt) control over every aspect of our lives. It's this system that feeds off fear that is changing our police into militarized units that are increasingly seeing the American people as the enemy and increasingly disregarding the rights of American citizens that are guaranteed under the constitution.

    We no longer live in a nation that views everyone as innocent until proven guilty we live in a nation that views everyone as guilty until proven innocent. Especially so if you happen to be a "white Christian conservative gun owner" or someone who believes in the constitution and rule of law like say a libertarian or any other freedom lover. Make no mistake, we the people are the enemy of the state and the police are being trained to view us as such.

    This whole check point "show us your papers" and treating us all like criminals is psychological warfare being committed against us. We're being trained like Pavlov's dogs to obey commands barked at us by "authority figures" without question. NEWSFLASH: that ain't what freedom looks like. That's what a police state looks like.

    Why do domestic police forces need tanks, armored vehicles, LRADS, Heat rays, black masks, military uniforms and German submachine guns? To keep us safe from overly hyped terror threats or to intimidate us and let us know who's in charge? The police in Amerika are even starting to look like the Gestapo or the SS.

    It's the system that's the problem and to a lesser extent the people that go along with it and more people are refusing to go along with it everyday. Those are the "good cops".
     
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    I think it's not just "some" good cops. It's far and away, "most."

    I know this is your base instinct, that the government is exerting control over us. Personally, though I a greatly concerned about the current administration's apparent attempt to overthrow democracy and turn this country into a socialistic police state, I do not see the local governments -- which is where all politics in the U.S. begins and ends, as being party to this effort. In fact, I believe most will resist, and if necessary revolt, when the effort becomes common knowledge. Our current embroilment in what is essentially socialized medicine seems to me to have awakened an awareness to reality among a large number of American patriots.

    I can't speak for the majority of the country. However, I can speak from my relationship with over 25 metropolitan Kansas City police departments, through my contracts with them to treat officers and civilian employees for addictions and disordered gambling, as well as respond to DV cases which may involve drugs or alcohol. Your view of the system does not fit what I see on a daily basis among the front-line men and women in those departments.

    Truthfully, I believe you see isolated incidents such as those 20 cases you've linked in your previous post and are extrapolating them as being indicative of an overall attitude among law enforcement. I believe you are wrong. In fact, the men and women I see from those departments will, if necessary, turn against the system rather than join in its efforts to extend police-state restrictions over the general population.

    Among police officers, we never have. They have, for time immemorial, assumed anyone they arrest is guilty. They have to believe that. Otherwise, they would live in a constant state of uncertainty and couldn't do their jobs.

    Prosecutors also live in that mentality, though not necessarily to the extent that police officers do. However, the system -- flawed as it is -- works, for the most part. There are injustices. But then again, there always have been.

    Have you seen the firepower on the streets among the criminals? Are you aware that LA street gangs have been found in possession of armor piercing rounds and mortars? Even so, this equipment is not wide-spread and certainly not available to every officer on the street. You may argue that, but it is true. It is generally kept in police department armories, to be brought out in the event of local or national emergencies of an extraordinary nature.

    No, to be prepared for the eventuality -- and I am convinced it will come -- when the drug gangs make a serious play to overrun police and law abiding citizens in order to "do business" unfettered. The equipment you describe, as I said, is on hand, not deployed daily. The worst any common U.S. citizen will face on a daily basis is a speed trap, and only rarely the necessary checkpoint which may have a police officer present who believes it necessary to hold a full loaded live weapon on each car, just to be sure the murderous maniac they are looking for doesn't pop up out of the rear floorboards of any given vehicle and kill five cops before forcing his captive to floor it and speed away, because they weren't ready for the eventuality.
     
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    I hope you are right.

    My base instinct is to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Without playing favorites.

    I don't believe it's democracy he's trying to overthrow. It's democracy that is killing the republic. A collectivist democracy where 51% evidently believe they have the right to do anything they want regardless of international and national law.

    Half my family are cops. My uncle retired from the NYS police a few years ago. He didn't like what he was seeing at all. He didn't like how the state police were being federalized.

    I'm sure KC has a "fusion center" that federalizes the locals like most other large cities. Give me a minute to google it up.

    According to a background paper prepared by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), fusion centers like the one in Kansas are “designed to pool and analyze information from federal, state, and local sources, in an effort to get vital information to the police officers who every day patrol the home front of the ‘war on terror.’” The paper adds that although “experts applaud efforts to have better informed police officers, some civil libertarians worry about the collection and use of such information.” [1]

    Federalizing the locals ala the CFR. That's all normal I suppose. It has to be right? That's what the corporate media is saying so it has to be normal.

    No actually I "extrapolated" this from seeing 20 or 30 or more of these and even worse stories every single month. Month after month after month. I read what Bill O'Rielly won't tell me and it's alot okay?

    The attitude among "law enforcement"? I'm old enough to remember when they were known as "peace officers" or "officers of the peace" the term "law enforcement" itself is meant to intimidate us mere "civilians".

    I hear more of them speaking out these days and some are even joining the Oath Keepers. Which is a good sign. I agree there will be many who will reject the police state system just as there will be many that will embrace it, for a time at least because they will either believe what they are doing is right or they get off on acting like little lords.

    I'm talking about society as a whole here not just the police. One look at how the "news" is reported these days is evidence enough of that. All the govt and corporate media have to is mention the word "terrorism" and a name after it and that person is guilty in the eyes of most Amerikans. The govt says guilty the mass media says guilty and the people believe guilty even before the suspects are arrested and all the evidence is examined!

    We don't even need courts or trials today. The govt and media are the judge and jury and sometimes the govt is even the executioner now. At least two American citizens have been executed without arrest, charge or trial. Now you may say these two were "suspected" of being involved with terrorism or guilty of "radicalizing" others but that is no excuse for executing people without due process.

    That's why there are defense lawyers but what good are they if you aren't allowed to speak to one? Maybe it's slipped past your radar but the govt can indefinitely detain YOU without charge or trial or anyone it claims is "suspected" of being a terrorist or associating with terrorists or aiding terrorists. Who are the "terrorists" well, according to the corporate sponsored think tanks and govt agencies in charge of figuring all that stuff out . . . people just like YOU are. People can be disappeared or executed without due process in these United States today. You don't think that's a big deal?

    Want to disarm them? Legalize their product. Regulate and tax it. Put em out of business. You know who launders the drug cartels dirty drug money? The too big to fail banks. An Estimated 500 billion dollars a year. Google it. There's thousands of pages of the big banks being caught laundering drug money.


    There's no arguing it. The weight of the evidence alone disproves your statement. What do think DHS was meant to do, protect us from foreign terrorists? No it' was meant to centralize the police force under the fedcoat's wing. Stalin centralized the police and confiscated guns, Hitler centralized the police and confiscated guns, the DHS is centralizing the police and cannot wait to confiscate our guns. History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. I really wish you could see it. Define "local or national emergencies of an extraordinary nature" does one armed suspect at large = the suspension of the constitution and martial law? It's starting to look that way.

    You may be convinced it will be the drug gangs but the govt is convinced it will be "patriots" and gun owners, and evangelical Christians and "right wing extremists" like those dangerous libertarians, tea partiers and returning veterans. That's what all their documents say. So I'm just assuming that's who they fear the most.

    So you missed the big story about Waco and the "Boston Bombing" and what happened in New Oleans after Katrina I take it. 20 of the last 47 "law enforcement drills" were centered around dangerous domestic terrorists like home schoolers and "lone wolf" right wing extremists.

    The media wanted the alleged "Boston Bombers" to be right wing extremists so bad they could hardly wait for the reports to come in before they start "speculating" about some "patriot group" or right wingers being involved.

    The police are being federalized and centralized and the govt is bound and determined to take our guns and dry up the supply of ammo if they can't take the guns.

    And it's all being normalized by going about it incrementally.
     
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    Police shot unarmed man, drove an armored truck through his door when he did not exit his property on command

    SPRINGFIELD, VA — A paramilitary force was dispatched to a townhouse after a woman reported a domestic dispute between her and her boyfriend. When her boyfriend stubbornly chose to stay inside his home, police shot him and drove an armored truck through his front door.

    The situation began on August 29th around 2:40 p.m. when John Geer — a 46-year-old kitchen designer and installer — was told by his girlfriend that she had decided to leave him. The couple had two daughters together, ages 13 and 17. Emotionally distraught over the breakup, Geer exacerbated the situation by throwing her belongings onto the lawn of their townhouse.

    This led to her calling the police. She informed the dispatcher that he owned a firearm. A SWAT team was sent to the quiet cul-du-sac.

    Geer’s home was surrounded by armored vehicles and uniformed personnel. A police sniper was photographed lying prone in a neighbor’s yard aiming toward Geer’s residence. Men in helmets and military fatigues cordoned off the neighborhood. Police began making their demands. An armored truck a topside gun turret parked in his yard and prepared for a strike command. As time went on, helicopters whirred overhead and K-9 units were seen by neighbors.

    “We’re just here to help you — come out with your hands up,” recounted neighbor Edith Eshleman, of the police negotiations.

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    DHS Publicly Denies Preparation for Riots, Civil Unrest

    Flip-flop: While admitting equipment and armed guards are for “civil disturbances,” federal agency claims otherwise

    The Department of Homeland Security has denied that it is preparing for domestic unrest despite the purchase of riot gear and the hiring of armed guards which the federal agency freely admits are for “riot control situations” and “civil disturbances”.

    Responding to an inquiry by the International Business Times regarding the recent purchase of riot control equipment, pepper spray launchers, pepper spray projectiles, as well as the hiring of armed guards to protect government buildings, the DHS dismissed reports (primarily from Infowars) that such activity was related to preparations for domestic disorder.

    “These reports are false. The referenced Federal Protective Service (FPS) acquisition request for Protective Security Officers will replace an existing contract due to expire November 2014, which provides security and screening within federal facilities throughout upstate New York,” DHS spokesman S.Y. Lee said in the statement. “This routine acquisition planning is not in response to, or anticipation of, any potential situation.”

    However, that’s the opposite of what the solicitation that accompanied the hiring of the armed guards actually stated. Indeed, two of the ‘potential situations’ listed by the DHS itself as to why they were hiring armed guards to protect government buildings were “public demonstration(s)” and “civil disturbances”.


    http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-publicly-denies-preparation-for-riots-civil-unrest.html
     

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