apparitions ie. fatima

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  1. myfavoritmartin

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    I am interested in peoples take on visions of Mary. Has anyone ever heard of a protestant having these visions? Are they works of the devil? is it because as the rcc claim they are the "true church"? I personally think the link is the idollic tendencies of the rcc and satan see's his open window to appear as on of the instruments they use.
    What's your take?
     
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    Well since the Bible says over and over that the dead are in their graves and know nothing and that they will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ then obviously these so-called apparition of Mary are a farce. But it does illustrate why it is so dangerous to believe in the false theory of natural immortality of the soul which has its roots in Spiritualism.

    Eccl:9:5: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    The entire thing sets people up for huge deceptions and is going to be the very basis for all the false miracles that will happen in these last days before Jesus comes.

    Whn the disciples asked Jesus what would be the sign of His coming and of the end of the world He spoke of DECEPTIONS

    take note of THE SECRET CHAMBERS remark:


    Matthew 24:
    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25: Behold, I have told you before.

    26: Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in THE SECRET CHAMBERS; believe it not.

    the secret chambers is referring to a seance type set up. New Agers do that, contact the spirit world or should I say pretend to.

    they will pretend to be Christ or SPEAK for Christ, or be sent from Christ, such as the Virgin Mary supposedly sent to give the world "messages"

    Most of the Protestant world is ripe for the deception since the adopted from Roman Catholicism the lie that the dead ar already in heaven... instead of in their graves awaiting the resurrection of Christ...

    1 Thess. 4

    15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


    Claudia
     
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    Technically, the Catholics don't consider visions of Mary as Spirtism. They believe she never died but ascended directly to heaven, although the Bible doesn't say exactly what happened to her. Mary the mother of Jesus is last mentioned in Acts 1:14.

    I personally think those visions of Mary are very subjective. They believe they're seeing Mary because they want to and because the Catholic Church places much more emphasis on the saints than Protestants do.
     
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    It depends on what you mean. Some *fringe* protetants, who probably arent born again and who consider the Catholic Church to be a good and true christian denomination, have had these visions.

    But I have never heard of any true bible believing actually born again person claim to have seen these things.

    Of course they are. The "Mary" in these visitations has said things that are blasphemous. The entity in these visions is a demon taking on the form of Mary.

    Pretty much agree with what you said, althought I dont know for sure what word you were trying to post whan you typed "idollic"

    Do you mean that its "idolatry", or "idiotic"?

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    Idolatrous--given to strong delusion--believing a lie. Satan is their master.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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    Demons were able to work with the witch of Endore to bring up the "apparition of Samuel" for the witch - that she then reported to Saul.

    There is nothing "new" here in communicating with the dead.

    Neither is this new to scripture as God says in Isaiah 8:19-20 "do not consult the dead on behalf of the living".

    Demons are happy to work in such a dark-ages mentality to conjur up any apparition one may wish.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Col 2:

    Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


    Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


    Miserable Heretics claim what is untrue and never exist.
     
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    "Protestants" having visions--Joseph Smith Jr., circa 1832, said he saw spirit personages by his bed. He says he was told to start a new church--all the others had apostasized. Millions of people still believe his testimony. He is either a true prophet of God or a false prophet. If true, we better get lined up with the LDS in Utah, or is it Missouri? Oops, it must be time for another apparition.

    God wrote only one Bible--it does not include the Book of Mormon.

    Now what?

    Selah,

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    Of course the RCC studies any of these visions intensely before declaring whether or not the faithful should heed them. There are several current visions still regarded as not authenticated by the RCC. The church does not insist on belief however as these are accorded as private revelations rather than public ( ending with the Disciples of Our Lord.)

    If you read about the Fatima children, Sr Lucy being the last surviving o the children who has recently died, she was prevented from talking or granting any sort of interview by the church, in fact the visionaries tend to be persecuted by the heirachy which is extremely painful for these devout and sincere persons. The so called secrets told to Sr Lucy by the BVM are still hotly debated by the RCC.
     
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    These visions of Mary are obviously the manifestations of demons. Do the people see something? Indeed they do!! It's like the people that see UFOs, they truly do to see something, but what ever they see is a manifestation of the demonics in the spirit world.
     
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    What is your take?
    true apparition or works of the devil?
     
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    Sometimes clouds form a picture of people, even at Sept 11, the fumes and dusts formed a horrible picture.

    Is Mary not sleeping? Is she Omni-Present to accept all the prayers from 1.3 Billion RC around the world?
     
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    possible
     
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    Believe me, the "faithful" will need no commandment from Rome as to whether or not they should heed demomic manifestations.

    Mike
     
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    Those who claim to speak to the dead are many in both Christian and pagan circles. ALL of them claim that the dead are very active after death.

    The RCC admits that for RC members they need to try to distinguish which dead to pray to...

    Pagan prayer methods.

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    Here's your answer...

    2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself is disguised as an angel of light.
     
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    ...so what you are saying, when the disciples and many others saw the Risen Christ....He was a demonic vision, and the same no doubt applies for the Descent of the Paraclete at Pentecost.
     
  19. BobRyan

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    The Holy Spirit is neither dead saint, nor apparition.

    Christ was not seen "dead" or "alive in death" nor was He ever seen as a ghostly "apparition".

    Trying to equivocate between a bodily resurrection and the spirits of the dead supposedly communicating with the living is not something the Bible will support. (Hint: Read the Catholic Digest article just posted)

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Except the True Christians who reject Idol Worship and pagan practices, all the other religions like Roman Religion, Muslim, Buddhism, Conficianism, etc can be united under one umbrella and they will have Emperor Pope for the World Religion, which will be Anti-Christ.
     

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