Appeals Court to Hear Groundbreaking Argument on Whether Abortion Ends "Human Life"

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  1. I Am Blessed 24

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    CNS News reports that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit Court in St. Louis will hear arguments Wednesday in a potentially groundbreaking case that—for the first time, according to attorneys—addresses the question of whether an abortion terminates a human being's life. The case considers a 2005 South Dakota law that requires abortionists to tell women that their abortion will terminate the life of a living human being.

    "Someone who has a financial stake in performing abortions should not be allowed to represent women in a case challenging women's right-to-know laws," said Jordan Lorence, senior counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, which filed the brief on behalf of the FRC. "Because an abortionist may earn a profit from women who abort their pre-born children, Planned Parenthood should be disqualified from representing the interests of women," he said.

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    Thanx for posting this. I will be following this story.
     
  3. Magnetic Poles

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    Once again, CNS gets it wrong. It is not about determining if abortion terminates a human life...it is about the requirement for a disclosure stating such. That is a big difference.
     
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    hu·man n.
    1. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.
    life
    –noun 1.the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally. 2.the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, esp. metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.




    There is no question that abortion is the taking of a human life.
     
  5. I Am Blessed 24

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    CNS is not the only one reporting this.

    May I have a link to your source please?
     
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    Who else, WingNut Daily? Google and check any actual news organization and there are hundreds of stories about this. The issue is if the law is constitutional, not if abortion terminates a human life. The scientific issue on that is not being decided by any court. The court will decide if the law, including its requirement that women be TOLD that, is legal. As usual CNS makes up and twists news to fit its agenda. Here is one paper that published the AP story on it:

    http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/state/17062266.htm

    excerpt (emphasis mine):
    But attorney Tim Branson for Planned Parenthood, which is challenging the law, and is the sole abortion provider in the state, said the mandated information is "highly misleading and calculated to mislead."


    The 2005 law, which if upheld likely will be duplicated around the U.S., both sides say, requires abortion doctors to tell women seeking to end their pregnancies a number of things.


    Namely, that an abortion ends a human life, that women have a right to continue the pregnancy, and that abortion may cause the woman psychological harm, including thoughts of suicide.


    The woman must certify she understands the statements, and the doctor must certify he or she believes the patient understands it.



    Even Fox News states as much:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242849,00.html?sPage=fnc.specialsections/lawcenter


    Exerpt:
    The 2005 measure is not a direct challenge to the constitutionality of abortion but is aimed at testing the limits of what a state can require women be told before getting abortions.

    In fact, if one reads past the false headline, the CNS story even says:

    The legislation requires doctors to inform women of this, in writing and in person two hours before an abortion, and also to disclose the medical risks of the procedure, including the possibility that it could lead to depression and an increased risk of suicidal thoughts.
     
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  7. Baptist in Richmond

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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
    That was HILARIOUS!

    The decision in Roe v. Wade isn't going to be overturned.

    Regards,
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    Hello BiR,
    Just out of curiosity,

    1.Do you think Roe v. Wade should be overturned? I ask because it seems you are hoping it would not.
    2.Do you believe abortion should be legal and what about late-term?
    3.When do you believe life begins?

    Thanks, Ralph
     
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    With this case, you are right.

    At this time, woth the makeup of this Supreme Court, you are right.

    In the future, if we get one more good conservative on the Court, I believe it will tip the balance against Roe.

    The way it stands now, a Roe challenge would almost definitely end like this:

    Uphold:
    Stevens
    Breyer
    Bader-Ginsberg
    Kennedy
    Souter

    Overturn:
    Roberts
    Scalia
    Thomas
    Alito
     
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    Personally, yes I do.

    You are mistaken.

    I abhor abortion. While I do not support abortion, it is the law of the land.

    Personally, I believe life begins at conception. I am against abortion for the same reason that I am against the death penalty.

    That being said, I cannot make decisions for others - that is between them and The Almighty.

    Regards,
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    Well, the decision to commit murder is not just between the person and the Almighty. The state has a say. Same with assault, robbery, etc.
     
  12. Ralph III

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    Thanks BiR for your responses and I concur with most of it. I was curious about your abortion position due to some posts in other threads.

    I agree with Bro. James Reed though in regards to abortion laws etc, and as noted previously. The fact is, at no other point since Roe v. Wade, has there been a greater opportunity for changes in abortion laws. Nor do I recall a time of more challenges against such practices as undertaken by GOP. IE: stem cell, late term abortions, parental notification, non-public funding of abortion etc. All of which the Democrats fought against!

    Again though, Bush and the Republicans squandered a real opportunity for further change and challenges. By turning from their base and thus losing Congress to the Democratic Party. Rest assured, you won't see any challeges to abortion laws arising from that party. This is why you often see Christian Democrats faith questioned and quite honestly something they should and will have to answer for. God doesn't care so much about how poor or disgruntled someone is as compared to the killing of innocent children.

    However, as Debby in Phily stated, abortion is not something we should elect to wash our hands of by simply trying to divert it to God. It is an issue which effects everyone, especially when public funds are used. It is something we as Christians should fight against, as most assuredly it is a practice God certainly abhors.

    You are right in that only God can judge and knows all situations, we should just fight against abortion and offer help/sympathy to anyone who may need it.

    take care, Ralph:jesus:
     
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    I'm encouraged by your response here BIR, but most seeking abortion are not consulting God.
     
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    No problem: thanks for asking.

    It ain't gonna happen though. [sic]

    Stem cell research and abortion are mutually exclusive, IMO.

    IMO, they never had any intention of doing anything to reverse the decision handed down in Roe v. Wade. Case in point: is anyone from the Administration doing anything or even talking about the subject? No, they aren't. Abortion is simply a subject that is brought up every two years to shore up support from the two-issuer voters.

    The only people who do this are the ones whose religion is subordinate to their politics. If what you state here is true, then there is no difference between what you mention and the Christian Republicans who actively work to support people who talk the talk and have yet to walk the walk, and repeatedly support them despite this. You have already noted how they turned from their base.

    And those people must stand and give account of what they have done. I can't do it for them, nor can you.

    That doesn't make any sense. How can we wash our hands of a sin that we didn't commit? Again, if not supporting a party that claims to be pro-choice is a sin, it is also a sin to support a party that claims to be pro-life but doesn't do anything to outlaw abortion, and repeatedly support them when they haven't done anything, choosing to simply bring it up in an election year.

    A sure-fire way to fight it would be to drop support for those who talk a good talk and walk a bad walk.

    Disagree with the first part, definitely agree with the sympathy and help.

    Abortion is not going to be overturned. The GOP hasn't really done anything, nor do I think they ever will. Rather than waste time fighting a fight where your allies won't do anything, perhaps we as Christians should focus on witnessing to a lost world, ministering to our fellow Christians, and working at changing the things we can actually change.

    Again, thanks for asking me my opinion, and sharing yours with me. I trust that God is Blessing you and yours,
    BiR
     
  15. Ralph III

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    Hello BiR.
    Thanks again for your replies and yes I appreciate your opinions!

    I agree with numerous things you’ve said but I take issue with some definitive statements you've made. As I do not feel facts support some of them. We may just have to agree to disagree on some of them and I apologize for repetition.



    Your summation is pretty accurate of what I was saying but again I strongly disagree with your conclusive statements.



    Yes, we cannot control others’ decisions in abortion or such and we all will stand in judgment of our own sins. We however can "try" and make a difference in policies which affect abortion issues. But I think there are Christians who continue to vote for Democrats, even though numerous of their policies/priorities are blatantly contrary to God's Word, and justify such by saying Republicans are just as bad.

    There is a legitimate reason why the Democratic Party struggles with its moral image and this is something they are fully aware of.

    I am not an advocate for the Republican Party as they are not all that great right now, HOWEVER, they in no way compare to the Democratic Party with certain moral issues. You have stated numerous times that the Republican Party has done absolutely "nothing" in regards to abortion or such Godly issues. I disagree with this and facts show otherwise.

    The President vetoed embryonic stem cell research on moral grounds, as such is the destruction of developing fetus. The GOP supported legislation recognizing the sanctity of marriage; they introduced and passed legislation banning the horrendous practice of partial birth abortion, supported parental notification, and non-public funding of abortion, etc.



    You may be correct in that Roe v. Wade may never be overthrown but I hold there is that possibility. However, you are not correct in saying the GOP has done nothing to change or limit abortion practices, as some of the above is significant of which the Democratic Party opposed all. Therefore, there is a significant difference. One only has to look at who the greatest majority of atheist, gay, and abortion rights groups support etc, etc.

    Now, I would gladly vote for an Independent and would be thrilled if Christians could unite in electing someone of high moral standard. Otherwise it is at times a vote for the lesser of evils, per say, or in blocking such. In any case I could not bring myself to vote for a party that defends things as that, at every cost. Each year over a million abortions are performed, several thousand per day. Yet the Democratic Party stands "proudly" by this "right" as they call it and blocks any attempt to change or limit it.

    To clarify, I do not question people's faith no matter how they vote or in any other regards. Only Christ can know a man's heart. I just do not understand the decisions some Christians make or that maybe they are unaware at times. This is not directed at you but instead generally speaking.




    I think Christians are capable of anything through our Lord, but this is well said BiR!



    Hey, you have a great weekend and God bless.:jesus:
     
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