Approximately 100 million American church members......

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  1. LadyEagle

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  2. KenH

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    Why are people like Bill Koenig and others like him on this board always condemning fellow Christians for not sharing their view of prophecy? Why isn't the fact that their fellow Christians have come to Christ Jesus in repentance and faith sufficient for people like Bill Koenig?
     
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    I'd suggest that prophecy isn't what is lacking (or should be at the forefront of our theological issues) but a general understanding of Christianity. Most Christians don't know Arius from Augustine when I comes to Christian theology or Calvin from Luther in terms of major issues.

    The over-realized eschatological motives of a vocal minority in evangelicalism has moved one particular strand of theology beyond the others which are just as, if not more, important.
     
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    Prophecy was a passion of mine for several years. I don't get very passionate about it anymore, but I never felt like it was something everyone had to agree on.

    I do think replacement theology is seriously bad mojo, though. That does need correction.
     
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    I am on board with your emphasis on Christian theology. When we get it right, everything else will take its rightful place, including prophecy.:thumbs:
     
  6. KenH

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    I think the same way about premillennialism, espeicially the dispensationalist brand of it.

    But I don't raise it to a level of saying that someone doesn't believe the Bible or is ignorant of the Bible if he belleves in premillennialism, and I don't think that you do, either.
     
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    npetrely, we are on the same lines on something. :thumbs:

    I would not go so far as to call it bad mojo, but I do disagree with it strongly.

    Having said that, now this is going to sound like someone trying to defend an accusation of racism, "I have black friends, my best friend is black."

    I do have some very good friends who are reformed in their eschatological views, and my best friend is a Free Presbyterian.

    That's it, all my supporting churches on the BB about to drop me...
     
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    I guess I'm one of those replacement theology baptists-does that mean I'm going to hell:tonofbricks:?

    But I've got a sharp eye on the developments around the world, my guns are loaded and supplies ready for whatever ;)

    Yet there's always the rapture anyway and "whooooosh" we'll be outta here :rolleyes:
     
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    Who said you were going to hell? Is there something about Replacement theology you are not telling?
     
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    :laugh: I didn't even know that it had a title! Maybe there's more I don't know...you don't think those goat sacrifices on the 7th full moon of the year we RT followers perform is a problem, do ya:laugh: ?
     
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    THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL, NOW

    SECTION 1

    OLD TESTAMENT TITLES AND ATTRIBUTES OF
    ISRAEL WHICH ARE,
    IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, REFERRED TO THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH

    THE BELOVED OF GOD
    A. Israel Is Beloved Of God
    Exo.
    15:13 / Deu.33:3 / Ezr.3:11
    B. Disobedient
    Israel Is Not Beloved Of God
    Lev. 26:28. 30 / Jer. 12:8 / Jer. 16:5 / Hos. 9:l5 / Amo. 9:7 / Mat. 3:7 / Philip. 3:2 /
    1 Th. 2:14-16 / Tit. 1:10
    C. The Christians Are Beloved Of God
    Rom. 1:7,9,25 / Eph. 5:1 / Col. 3:12 / Jo. 3:1 / 2 The. 2:13 / Rev. 1:4-6
    THE CHILDREN OF GOD
    A. lsraelites Are The Children Of God
    Exo.
    4:22 / Den. 14:1 / Isa. 1:2,4 / Isa. 63:8 / Jer. 31:9 / Hos. 11:1
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Children Of God
    Deu. 32:5 / John 8:39, 42, 44
    C. The Christians Are The Children Of God
    John.
    1:12, 11:52 / Rom. 8:14,16 / 2 Cor. 6:18 / Gal. 3:26 / Gal. 4:5, 6, 7 /
    Philip.
    2:15 / 1 Jo. 3:1

    THE FIELD OF GOD
    A. Israel Is The Field Of God
    Jer. 12:10
    B. The Christians Are The Field Of God
    I Cor. 3:9

    THE FLOCK OF GOD AND OF THE MESSIAH
    A. Israel Is The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah
    Psa.78:52 / Psa.80:1 / Isa.40:ll / Jer.23:1, 2 ,3 / Jer.31:I0 / Eze. 34:12, 15, 16 /
    Mic. 5:4 / Zec. 10:3
    B. The Christians Are The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah
    John
    10:14, 16 / Heb. 13:20 / 1 Pe. 2:25 / 1 Pe. 5:2, 3

    THE HOUSE OF GOD
    A. Israel Is The House Of God
    Num. 12:7
    B. The Christians Are The House Of God
    I Tim.
    3:15 / Heb. 3:2, 5, 6 / Heb. 10:21 / 1 Pe. 4:17

    THE
    CHOSEN PEOPLE
    A. The Israelites Are The
    Chosen People
    Deu. 7:7 / Deu.
    10:15 / Deu. 14:2 /Isa. 43:20, 21
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not The
    Chosen People
    Deu. 31:17 / 2 Ki.
    17:20 / 2 Chr. 25:7 / Psa. 78:59 / Jer. 6:30 / Jer. 7:29 / Jer. 14:10
    C. The Christians Are The
    ChosenPeople
    Col. 3:12
    / 1 Pe. 2:9

    THE CIRCUMCISED
    A. The Israelites Are The Circumcised
    Gen. 17:10, 13 / Jdg. 15:18
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Circumcised
    Jer. 9:25. 26 /
    Rom. 2:25,28 / Philip. 3:2
    C. The Christians Are The Circumcised
    Rom.
    2:29 / Philip. 3:3 / Col. 2:11

    ISRAEL
    A.
    Israel Is Israel
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not Israelites
    Num. 15:30, 31 / Deu.
    18:19 / Acts 3:23 / Rom,. 9:6
    C. The Christians Are Israel
    John 11:50, 51, 52 / 1 Cor. 10:1 / Gal. 5:6; 6:15, 16 / Eph. 2:12,19

    JERUSALEM
    A. Jerusalem IsThe City And Mother of Israelites
    Psa. 149:2 / Isa. 12:6 / Isa. 49:18, 20, 22 / Isa. 51:18 / Lam. 4:2
    B. Jerusalem Is The City And Mother Of Christians
    Gal. 4:26 / Heb. 12:22

    THE JEWS
    A. Israelites Are Jews
    Ezr. 5:1 / Jer. 34:8, 9 / Zec. 8:22, 23
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not Jews
    Rom. 2:28 / Rev. 2:9 / Rev 3:9
    C. Christians Are True Jews
    Rom. 2:29

    THE NEW COVENANT
    A. The New Covenant Is With
    Israel
    Jer. 31:31, 33
    B. The New Covenant Is With The Christians
    Luke
    22:20 / 1 Cor. 11:25 / 2 Cor. 3:6 / Heb. 8:6, 8, 10
    AN OLIVE TREE
    A. Israel Is An Olive Tree
    Jer.
    11:16 / Hos. 14:6
    B. The Christians Are An Olive Tree
    Rom.
    11:24

    THE
    KINGDOM OF GOD
    A. Israel Is The
    Kingdom Of God
    Exo. 19:6 1 Chr. 17:14/ 1 Chr. 28:5
    B. Disobedient
    Israel Is Not The Kingdom O fGod
    Mat
    8:11, 12 / Mat 21:43
    C. The Christians Are The kingdoni Of God
    Rom. 14:17 / 1 Cor. 4:20 / Col. 1:13 / Col. 4:11 / Rev. 1:6

    THE PEOPLE OF GOD
    A. The Israelites Are The People Of God
    Exo. 6:7 / Deu. 27:9 / 2 Sam.
    7:23 / Jer. 11:4
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not The People Of God
    Hos. 1:9 / Jer.5:10
    C. The Christians Are The People Of God
    Rom.9:25 / 2 Cor. 6:16 / Eph. 4:12 / Eph. 5:3 / 2Th. 1:10 / Tit. 2:14

    THE PRIESTS OF GOD
    A. The Israelites Are The Priests Of God
    Exo. 19:6
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Priests Of God
    1 Sam. 2:28,30 / Lam. 4:13, 16 / Eze. 44:10, 13 / Hos 4.6 / Mal.2:2,4, 8 ,9
    C. The Christians Are The Priests Of God
    1 Pe. 2:5,9 / Rev. 1:6 / Rev. 5:10

    THE VINEYARD OF GOD
    A. The Israelites Is The Vineyard Of God
    Isa. 5:3,4, 5, 7 /Jer. 12:10
    B. The Christians Are The Vineyard Of God
    Luke
    20:16

    THE WIFE (OR BRIDE) OF GOD
    A. Israel Is The Wife (Or Bride) Of God
    Isa. 54:5, 6 / Jer. 2:2 / Eze.
    16:32 / Hos. 1:2
    B. Disobedient
    Israel Is Not The Wife (Or Bride) Of God
    Jer. 3:8 / Hos. 2:2
    C. The Christians Are The Wife (Or Bride) Of God
    2 Cor. 1l:2 / Eph.5:31, 32

    THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM
    A. The Israelites Are The Children Of Abraham
    2 Chr. 20:7 / Psa. 105:6 / Isa. 41:8
    B. Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Children Of Abraham
    John 8:39 / Rom,. 9:6, 7 / Gal. 4:25, 30
    C. The Christians Are The Children Of Abraham
    Rom. 4:11, 16 / Gal. 3:7, 29 / Gal. 4:23, 28, 31


     
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    SECTION 2

    OLD TESTAMENT VERSES REFERRING TO
    ISRAEL WHICH ARE QUOTED

    IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AS REFERRING TO THE CHRISTIANS
    QUOTE # 1: Lev. 26:11 / Eze. 37:27 / 2 Cor. 6:16
    QUOTE # 2: Deu. 30:12-14 /
    Rom. 10:6-8
    QUOTE # 3: Deu. 31:6 / Heb. 13:5
    QUOTE # 4: Deu. 32:36 / Psa. 135:14 / Heb.
    10:30

    QUOTE # 5: Psa.
    22:22 / Heb. 2:12
    QUOTE # 6: Psa. 44:22 /
    Rom. 8:36
    QUOTE # 7: Psa. 95:7-11 / Heb. 3:7-11
    QUOTE # 8: Psa. 130:8 / Tit.
    2:14
    QUOTE # 9: Isa. 28:16 / Rom.
    10:11 / Eph. 2:20 / 1 Pe. 2:6
    QUOTE # 10: Isa. 49:8 / 2 Cor. 6:2
    QUOTE # 11: Isa. 52:7 / Rom.
    10:15

    QUOTE # 12: Isa. 54:1 / Gal.
    4:27
    QUOTE # 13: Jer. 31:31-34 / Heb. 8:8-12
    QUOTE # 14: Hos.
    1:10; 2:23 / Rom. 9:25-26 / 1 Pe. 2:10
    QUOTE # 15: Hos.
    13:14 / 1 Cor. 15:55
    QUOTE # 16: Joel
    2:32 / Rom. 10:13

    SECTION 3

    OLD TESTAMENT ETHICAL COMMANDS TO
    ISRAEL WHICH ARE QUOTED

    IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AS APPLYING TO THE CHURCH
    QUOTE #1: Exd.16:18 / 2Cor.8:15
    QUOTE #2: Lev. 11:45; 19:2 / 1 Pe.
    1:16

    QUOTE #3: Deu.
    5:16 / Eph. 6:2-3
    QUOTE #4: Deu. 17:7;
    19:19; 22:24; 24:7 / 1 Cor. 5:13

    QUOTE #5: Deu.
    19:15 / 2 Cor. 13:1 / 1 Tim. 5:19
    QUOTE #6: Isa. 35:3 / Heb.
    12:12
    or. 6:17

    Hey this "cut and paste" theology is much easier than defending your view in discussion or debate. Now I understand LE.


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  13. MrJim

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    Sounds good Grasshopper:thumbs:
     
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