Are people who believe in the Rapture really Darbyites?

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  1. Thinkingstuff

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    I have heard this assurtion and wonder what others believe. Modern rapture beliefs started with Miller of the SDA and when it didn't come true then many people left. Then in 1830 John Nelson Darby (of the Plymouth Brethern) espoused the mordern idea of rapture with a rolling end times. What do others think?
     
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    Could you define for the list what you are calling "Modern rapture beliefs?" Thanks.
     
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    Darby believed in the pre-tribulation rapture of the church.
     
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    Yep and to spell it out:

    Then with this assumption could we assume the following?

    and:

     
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    It actually started a little before that, with a Catholic monks writings. He didn't call it a pre-trib rapture, but indicated that it would take place before the beast arises.

    I think it was in the late 1700, so Darby probably discovered his ideas, and claimed them for his own. C. I. Scofield was its big promoter, and more responsible for it than anyone else.

    You can Google it, and get the information with a little searching.
     
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    I mean we can get into the whole history of it but I'm speaking of the more contemporary version. I mean Ireaneus had his Millennial theory, Montanus and Tertullian had theirs. I'm speaking of the current incarnation.
     
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    How precise do you want to be? You speak of "its current form"? Even in "its current form" there are many variations today. Not everyone agrees on all aspects of eschatology. Millenialism was taught in some form or another back in the time of the church fathers.
     
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    HP: Well, he sure missed it there.
     
  9. Samuel Owen

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    If you mean who are the biggest religious body of promoters, in this counter are. I wont name names, just look around you.
     
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    It was Darby and the PBs who popularized the rapture hypothesis. I met with the PBs for 10 or so years.
     
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    I don't know who Darby is, but I believe we will be raptured before the tribulation and the appearance of THE anti-Christ
     
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    Amen, Sister I AM BLESSED 18 -- you are so RIGHT ON!

    John Nelson Darby died in 1882. I became a pretrib in 1952 and heard about Darby's teachings in like 1982 some 30 years after I became saved by Jesus and 100 years after Darby died. I have lots of pro-pretrib rapture points, none of them from Darby and all of them from the Bible.

    I really think most of 'Darby teaching' was invented about 1980 by desperate post-tribulation rapture only (PTRO) with a shortage of points to be made.

     
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    Regarding the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church:

    Actually, that is the scripturally correct view, imo.

    Mike
     
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    I agree, it is.....IMO also, and the Lord agrees. :thumbs: Not too far off IMO either.
     
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    Jesus said, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." - Matthew 24:29-31.

    Matt. 24:31 tells the same thing with 1 Thess. 4:15-17, when Christ shall come, the trumpet shall sound, and we all shall be caught up together to meet Christ in the air. That will be follow after tribulation.

    Bible teaches us that, we must go through much of tribulation first - Acts 14:22. And 1 Thess. 3:3-4 telling us, we are appointed for tribulations. Because, Christ already suffered tribulations first - John 16:33.

    There is no promise in Bible that we shall escape from tribulations and persecutions. Because, CHrist already suffering them for us, so, therefore, we should follow His examples - 1 Peter 3:21 and John 16:33.

    Bible teaches us, that, Christ shall come again - once, not twice.

    That why I reject pretribulationism doctrine, because of it is unbiblical and men-making doctrines. I rather follow what the Bible saying what men saying according Col. 2:8.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    You might want to keep 'oil in your lamp' just in case you're wrong.... ;)
     

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