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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by T Alan, Nov 21, 2014.
Just curious to know if other PPB's or Hardshellers on here.
I didn't know any Primitive Baptists were progressive.
Progressive means: Uses musical intruments mainly Piano and has a Bible Study in the morning before the Worship Service.
What do you mean by progressive?
I believe Primitive Baptist are very mis represented and mis understood.
What are you saying this in regards to?
Nothing except I didn't see primitive and progressive as going together. I am not familiar enough with PB practice to have an understanding of the progressive ones.
The word Primitive is used as "Old" or "Original". Progressive denotes the use of musical instruments in the Worship Service and Bible Study (Sunday School) ( a rejected term).
Not a member here, but I believe Jerry Reed AKA The Alabama Wild Man would fit the description of a Progressive PB
"Now my daddy was hard shelled Alabama preacher
My momma was a dedicated Sunday school teacher
My brother went to college and got a PhD
Daddy said the only dud in the family was me!"
Why don't the traditional PB have Bible studies?
What's a progressive primitive baptist? I doubt you mean politically progressive...or do you?
My simple definition was merely the "difference" in the "Old Line" or "Hard Shell" Primitive Baptist. They do not use instrument accompaniment for the Worship Service.
No, it has NO political reference.
Many do now but when the break occured they didn't. If they do it is not age segregated.
Primitive Baptist are Sovereign Grace people. They would be considered "Calvinistic" in doctrinal alignment, although, the term "Calvinist" is rejected as there are significant differences in a couple of areas.
Now why did your response to my OP on "surprise in heaven" not signal to me that you are from the PPB? Now your response about there not being in surprise or emotion in heaven makes sense!
I pity those who do not know how to enjoy the freedom that comes from knowing we will one-day walk on streets made of gold, with a new body that will no longer suffer pain, or mental anguish or death! That is exciting, and as we read in Luke 19:40. Remember that verse brother? Right after the Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, the Pharisees demanded that Jesus hush the revelers, and Jesus told them, "Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples." But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!"
I certainly don't mean to be disrespectful to you brother, but does PPB stand for Progressive Primitive Baptists, or does it really stand for Probably a Pharisee's in Baptist garb?
No offense taken. But, you are confusing issues and making biased assumptions about a group,I'll address the statement you made on your Thread "What will surprize you in heaven".
American Baptist History Lesson
Primitive means 'original' and in doctrine and practice, the Primitive Baptists are identical to the original English and Welsh Baptists who immigrated to colonial America. More importantly, the Primitive Baptists are identical to the primitive or first century church in doctrine and practice.
Primitive Baptists are united by a strong desire to adhere to "Thus saith the Lord", refusing man made additions and auxiliaries to the church, we maintain a simple form of worship and rejoice in the truth of God's sovereignty in saving lost sinners.
The name 'Primitive' was adopted after a disagreement arose in the 1820's and 1830's over the use of Missionary Societies, Sunday Schools and Theological Seminaries, which were first introduced to the United States about 1800. Up till that time, all the Baptist churches (with the exception of a few general atonement Baptist churches) were identical in faith and practice.
Eventually, certain churches began to resist the introduction of the Missionary Societies, Sunday Schools and Theological Seminaries on the grounds that they were unscriptural innovations and there was no Biblical authority to authorize their use. (See The Kehukee Declaration and The Black Rock Address) They believed that God, through the Holy Spirit, directs his ministers where to evangelize not a missionary board. They believed that it is the responsibility of parents to instruct their children in the Christian faith, not others. They believed that the scriptural pattern was for young ministers to apprentice or train under elder ministers, not in a seminary. These Baptists were of the Old School in faith and practice and became known as the Primitive Baptists. The churches which adopted the use of Missionary Societies, Sunday Schools and Theological Seminaries were of the New School and became known as Missionary Baptists. The largest denomination of Missionary Baptists today is the Southern Baptist Convention.
"Originally, most of the New School churches were sound on the doctrine of God's Sovereignty in the salvation of sinners. However, practice affects doctrine and vice versa and they soon lost that important truth and became Arminian (belief in the General Atonement). The Primitive Baptists understood this as a vindication against the New School practices and regard Arminianism as an even worse departure from the truth than the Missionary Societies, Sunday Schools and Theological Seminaries they originally stood against.
Primitive Baptists believe there are true believers in the other Christian denominations, however, it is our firm conviction that those believers who are seeking the truth, should return to the place where the truth never ceased to be taught, the Primitive Baptists." excerpt taken form: