Are there any saved catholics?

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  1. Precepts

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    Murph, I'm not picking on you, but I only quote the following as an example of what many believe that there cannot be any saved catholics:
    I agree 100% with what you are sayong about Ps 22 and how everyone needs to get a better view of Calvary, it just might put an end to all the bickerings known throughout most churches.

    I have an aunt that says she has a personal relationship with Christ. She also says she asked Jesus to come into her heart and He saved her from her sins. She also claims that the Blood of Jesus alone paid the sin debt and she has absolutely nothing within her or that she can do to keep herself saved or help her be saved. She denies the "prosubstanciation" of receiving Christ through a wafer and a shot glass of wine. She also claims there to be only one way of salvation and that is through godly sorrow that works repentence unto salvation when you ask her why she got saved. Other than a couple of really insignificant things she does, she lives as clean as many Baptists I know, and cleaner, not better, than most.

    So is she saved? I believe she is. What other requirement is there for salvation than godly sorrow unto repentence unto salvation and not to be repented of?

    Do I believe she is in the wrong church? YES!

    Does she do things that I would consider doctrinally wrong? Definitely, but many Baptists do things just as bad, if not worse.

    I believe there are at least a few catholics that are genuinely saved, misled and misinformed? Yes, saved all the same. Anyone believe other wise? How do you come to your conclusion?
     
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    Are there any saved Catholics? Yes.
     
  3. C.S. Murphy

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    I am sure many Catholics are saved. My remark about Gibson was only because of quotes I had read where he states things like outside the RCC there is no possibility for salvation. If this is his true belief then I feel he is lost because he is obviously placing membership in a church as a requirement for salvation and this is wrong.
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    Agree. Just as there are unsaved Baptists. Church membership or affiliation was not nailed to the cross, Christ was, and Christ was nailed to the cross, died, buried and rose again for His people, and His people may be divided in this plane called time by religion, creed, country, skin color, race, biases, and whatnot, but His blood sealed their redemption, and in due time He will be revealed to His people whom He saved, and those whom He did not save.
     
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    As I said in another post, if Catholics accept lock, stock, and barrel the salvific dogmas of the RCC, then they can't possibly be Christians. In a nutshell, Catholics believe in an "infusion of grace" rather than "imputed righteousness" that comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ. Where we as Bible-believing Protestants teach that salvation is the result of a "faith that works," Catholic dogmas clearly teach "faith & works" are necessary for salvation - this is why they so adamently speak of an infusion of grace rather than imputed righteousness. By the way, this just happened to be the watershed doctrine for the Reformers.

    What I have found is that Catholics will wax eloquent about the necessity of faith for salvation, but if they are being honest with you, they will admit that their dogmas teach a salvation in which our works are keenly involved. As evidence of this, Catholics have no concept of eternal security. For them, it is possible for an individual to be a "good Catholic" for all of that person's life, yet die and go to hell if they died with unconfessed mortal sins on their "life's account." A lack of eternal security is the logical outflow of their works salvation.

    So, in answer to your question, I believe that there are some within the RCC who are saved, but it is not because they have believed in the salvific dogmas of the RCC. Those who believe all the salvific dogmas of the RCC can't be saved because they have never placed their faith in Christ ALONE for their salvation - they are still trusting in the power of their works (in cooperation with grace) for their salvation.
     
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    There are NO saved catholics.

    They worship a different Christ.
    They preach a different gospel.
    They have a different authority.
    They believe in faith + works for salvation.
    They believe the pope is another mediator.
    They exalt Mary to sinless and co-redemptrix.

    If believed, the traditional baptist doctrine is equivalent to truth. The catholic doctrine is false to begin with.
     
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    As a former catholic, I could not have said it better myself Todd [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    What you say is true Dan but on the other hand, if the Holy Spirit is working on the heart of a catholic while he/she is still in the "church", knowing what I believe to be true regarding irresistable Grace, he/she will eventually leave just like I did. It took years for me, but I owe it all to what I now clearly recognise as the Holy Spirit's Divine pull on my black heart to bring me to where I needed to be: right at the feet of Jesus Christ as depicted in John 12: 1-8!

    All Glory and Honor and Praise ever be to His name that is far, far above every other name written in Heaven! Thank You Lord Jesus! [​IMG]
     
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    Todd - I generally agree with your doctrinal statements about Roman Catholicism on this board however, count me out of the group known as Bible Believing Protestants.
    Those of us born in Baptist families and who grew up and got saved in Baptist churches are not Protestants.
    We were never part of the Great Whore and never came out of the Great Whore in protest - we are Bible Believing Baptists. [​IMG]
     
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    I didn't know that, I agree with you, 100%
     
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    Either you didn't read the first post or you're just ....
     
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    ignorant is a term DD likes to use.... :rolleyes:
     
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    Precepts and Sheeagle, could you please use Scripture to support your position?

    I do know that I will wait an awfully long time.
     
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    I would further ask that you two demonstrate which of my points are incorrect.

    I know that I will be waiting a long time for this.

    Sheeagle has a history of clinging to false teachers because in her judgment, they are pious men. Of course you all know, that excuses any and all bad/false theology. It is so sad that people are so led astray.
     
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    When you use Scripture to support your opinion that all Catholics are going to hell because all Catholics are not saved because they possibly couldn't be a Catholic and be your brother or sister in Christ because you personally know each and every Catholic and not a one of them have ever been born again. No doubt I will be waiting a very long time. :rolleyes:

    DD has a history of condemning everyone to hell who doesn't agree with his personal interpretation of Scripture because in his judgment, anyone who disagrees with him, especially a woman, are all doomed to hell. It is so sad people are so arrogant.
     
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    Are there any saved Catholics? I think so. I personally know one Catholic that according to his testimony and the fruits of his life, I believe to be a saved man.
     
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    If I may go out on a limb here. If a Catholic is saved,( which as I stated above, I belive some are) would it be unfair to say it would be a case of being saved 'despite' their teaching instead of 'because' of it?
     
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    Assuredly you are aware that all professing catholics don't hold to your dogmatisms? I suppose not. LadyEagle is correct to reprove you in the way she has. That's really sad you believe that only those who believe exactly as you are the only ones saved.

    That would indicate you're a cult leader or the member of a cult, by Baptist standards, are you?
    Have you some how denied the Blood of Christ and replaced it with the Baptist doctrine?

    Now let me be clear, I am Baptist, Born Again, But I am sure glad Jesus got me before the Baptists did!
     
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    You two performed right on key. I asked for Scripture or at the very least, a refutation of my points. Neither happened. Whoa, who wouldda seen dat one cummin'?

    1. Then they aren't catholic. That is catholic theology. If the person disagrees, they aren't catholic. Helllllloooooooo.

    Do you agree with mormon theology? Oh, well you might still be a mormon. Yeah, makes lotsa sense.

    2. Actually, I believe only those who believe the Scriptural requirements for salvation are actually saved. Catholics reject them, so they aren't saved. It would be arrogance if I made them up. Fortunately, I use Scripture to defend my positions.

    3. Still trying to imagine an adult put these lines together. :rolleyes:

    4. Still trying...
     
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    Hey folks, let's try to stay on course here. The bottom line is that the salvific dogmas of the RCC are obviously not consistent with biblical requirements for salvation, and so if a Catholic believes lock, stock, and barrel all the salvific dogmas of the Church, then obviously they can't be a genuine believer in Jesus Christ.

    On the other hand, there are surely some within the RCC who don't believe everything they are taught about salvation - rather, they have placed their faith in Christ alone for salvation. Isn't that the Bible's standard for salvation: "If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Rom. 10:9). Couldn't it possibly be that there are some genuine children of God within the RCC who want to pursue membership elsewhere, yet they are still seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit as to where that will be?

    We need to be very careful about making a blanket statement such as "no Catholic can be saved," because it is very clear that not all practicing Catholics accept the dogmas of the church (which I will admit begs the question, "Then why are they still in the RCC?") I understand where DD is coming from: He's saying that anyone who doesn't accept lock, stock, and barrel the salvific doctrines of the RCC is not a Catholic. The RC's DD is talking about are those who believe all the RCC's dogmas, and understood that way, most of his comments make good sense. I guess we just need to clarify what we mean when we use the term "Catholic."
     

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