Are there any saved catholics?

I am not so sure Johnv's statement is absurd. Only 3 out of every 10 Baptists even attend Church! That is a horrible testimony to Baptist Evangelism. Who are we to stand in judgment on the Roman Catholic Church?

I have watched the Catholic cable station EWTN and the Charismatic/Evangelical station TBN and I feel more comfortable with EWTN despite the Mariolatry on it. That does not mean I endorse EWTN but Evangelical theology on TBN is worse and more unscriptural overall than Catholic theology found on EWTN. (and that is saying a mouthfull!)

I know of Catholics who are saved despite the sacramental theology taught by their church. Catholicism presents a deficient Gospel but in many ways Baptists are not that far behind. Do most Baptist Churches teach the truth? I would say that most Baptist churches have abandoned the Reformation theology of Luther, Calvin and the early Baptists for a Pelagian type Charles Finney theology. I think Johnv has a point that we should not ignore.

 

If we adhere to the Baptist distinctive of a saved and baptized church membership, why is it arrogant to assume that "most" members know Christ? Most churches I have belonged to require a clear, publicly articlulated salvation testimony. While obviously it's possible to "fool the system," I don't think it would be arrogant to believe that all the people on a well-maintained baptist church membership roll know Christ as their Savior.

 

Murph, it is the common practice of liberals to argue piety (that is, what they see or perceive) over truth. It is just another form of false humility that is in essence pride.

Until one of you pro-catholic supporters can answer my original objections, I will just assume YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

 

Just as there are Baptists who will go to hell, there are saved Catholics. Some know too little and some know nothing.

Diane

 

There's been no defense of Catholic heresy so far on this thread. If so, please point it out.

 

I have seen no defense of Catholicism nor am I Pro Catholic. I am of the opinion Baptist churches need to be more concerned about lost people on their church rolls (recent surveys indicate somewhere between 65-70% of Southern Baptists never attend Church) rather than get on a typical anti Catholic rant. If this downward trend among SBC church attendance continues, there may be a poll here that questions, "Are there any saved Southern BaptistS?"

 

...and the lost in their own communities I might add.

But then again it is always easier to throw stones at others.

 

Like on the other thread...

6,000 Southern Baptist Churches had not ONE baptism last year,

Beams, motes?

All this judging on this board of fellow professing believers is a little bit too much. In fact, it's sickening.

Get real, people. It isn't theology that saves anyone. If you don't love those and show love to those profess to be your brothers and sisters in Christ, whether or not they are Baptists, then you aren't showing the fruits of the Spirit and it's by fruits that we are known as belonging to Jesus.

Yes, there are saved Catholics. I know some who are. Yes, there are saved Lutherans. Yes, there are saved Nazerenes. Yes, there are saved Pentecostals. And there are unsaved Baptists.

Motes, beams. I've seen more fruits of the Spirit from some of our Catholic members in the other forum than I've seen shown by some Baptists here on the Fundy Forum. Sad.

The Witness of the Holy Spirit knows no denominational boundaries.

 

We have 1068 members as of Sunday. Our average attendance is just at 600. We have visitation every other Tuesday night and the lists of who has not been attending is put out for phone calls, cards and personal visits. Each Sunday School teacher is SUPPOSED TO CONTACT those who are absent in their class.... I do my class every week and my class attendance is way up but not 75%. 12 out of 20 is average.

Diane

 

1. Of course not. Only Christ saves. However, wrong theology will keep people from being saved.

2. Wow, a supernatural ability to know people's salvation. Amazing.

3. How do you know this? Remember, even Paul THOUGHT Demas was saved.

4. First of all, you can be deceived. Second, you can misinterpret. Third, you are just making an assumption. Fourth, you once again confuse truth with piety. Fifth, ...

5. Let me finish your statement:

... that so many so-called fundamentalists choose personal experience over truth.

6. Catholicism isn't a denomination.

 

Amen! I mus twholeheartedly agree with you, LadyEagle.

 

And you're not one of them? It seems that you are quite ignorant of God's Word in 1 Peter 5:6, "Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time."

You might also consider God's Word in Romans 2:1-4, "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

And in 1 Cor. 8:2,3, "If anyone supposes that he knows anything , he has not yet known as he ought to know; but if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.

 

1. I hope that I am not. That is why I continually examine my theology and behavior by God's word.

2. Excellent text. However, if you think humility and ignorance are synonyms, you will have to find a different audience, cause this one ain't laughin'.

3. Another excellent text. I just preached it a few months ago. I am perfectly willing to be judged by what I believe and what I do. In fact, I really don't have a choice, as that is how all people will be judged. Please reconcile your apparent point with the many N.T. examples of people being marked out because of false theology and wickedness. Put up or, or, oh what is that other word...?

4. I wonder which God one must love? Can one love the God of the Jehovah Witnesses? How about the God of Arianism? Oooooo, what about the God of the Muslim? You see, in your feeble attempt to discount what I was saying, you have helped make my point.

Theology doesn't save, but theology can keep you from being saved. Catholics have a different God. If you don't understand that, you need to learn why.

 

Maybe you should read it more

[ February 18, 2004, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

 

There's been no defense of Catholic heresy so far on this thread. If so, please point it out. </font>[/QUOTE]Well my friend I feel that several of our catholic friends who frequent here are neither kind, sweet spirited nor saved. Several of them also teach anti christian doctrine. I felt like your quote:
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As for the Catholics on this board, they all bear the fruits of saved persons, and I have no reason to think otherwise.
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Demonstrates the fact that you infact wish to defend this heresy and I will not allow it. If you wish to sing their praises somewhere else be my guest. As you can see from my posts on this thread I feel many catholics are saved but I also feel many are mean spirited and intent on pulling christians into their lie.
Murph

 

Life in the world of DanielDavid (the artist formerly known as Preach the Word):

On one hand he says sarcastically to another participant:

Wow, a supernatural ability to know people's salvation.

And then a few posts later he avers:

Catholics have a different God.

And now you know why many who have interacted with him in the past take everything he utters with a grain of salt.

Perhaps one day he will produce that evidence condemning Rick Warren's soteriology, but I got tired of holding my breath on that one

 

AMEN!

 

Daniël David
"4. I wonder which God one must love? Can one love the God of the Jehovah Witnesses? How about the God of Arianism? Oooooo, what about the God of the Muslim? You see, in your feeble attempt to discount what I was saying, you have helped make my point."
Polytheïsm? shame on you Daniël David.
There is only 1 God, one can worship Him in the wrong fashion, believe the wrong things about Him, or worship some idol instead, but there is still only 1 God.
Baptists, JW's, RC's, Jews and even Moslims all try to worship the same God. It's just that most religions on that list mess up their theology in a truly dreadfull fashion.