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Discussion in 'Politics' started by exscentric, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. exscentric

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    a forshadow of things to come? (Rationing of care for the lesser of society.)

    Over 65 and you are not allowed to have an N1H1 flu shot even though they are seeing folks in that age group getting it.
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    Oregon has reduced some foster parent reimbursements to families taking in disabled or sick foster children - those that have medical needs such as shaken baby syndrome and others. The reductions were based on recent federal changes/guidelines.

    Hummm.
     
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    "Q: I am 80 years of age. Should I get the H1N1 vaccine?

    A: Health experts say that people 65 and older are least likely to contract swine flu, and therefore they are not on the priority list for vaccination. However, if elderly people do get sick, they have a high risk of developing serious complications from H1N1.

    Blood samples taken from older people indicate that they possibly have pre-existing immunity to the H1N1 virus, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Health officials suggest that elderly people get their seasonal flu vaccine first and get in line behind high-risk groups for the H1N1 vaccine. However, health officials advise that elderly people see a doctor immediately if they develop flulike symptoms. "

    - www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-swine-flu-questions-answers,0,6646081.story
     
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    Hummmm and tonight they announced on the news that the stock markets and big financial instutions received h1n1 vacine.
     
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    ==People over the age of 65 are not in the high risk group for the H1N1 since they already have a level of immunity to it. That does not mean they are 100% safe, it just means that they are less likely to get the illness than others. It also means they are less likely to have severe complications from the illness (apart from underlying health problems such as asthma, COPD, etc). At this time, there is a limited number of vaccines and those must be reserved for those in the high risk groups (pregnant women, people under 25, etc). The CDC has made this very clear and it makes perfect sense.

    People over the age of 65 should have already had their seasonal flu shot and when the H1N1 vaccine is more widely available, they should get that.
     
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    If we are so safe, why bother getting it????

    "Authorities" whatever that means today are now saying the over 65 are not as safe as once thought.
     
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    For this reason? No. When Christian engage in chatter like this, they violate scripture's admonition against engaging in gossip.


    If you're over 65 and in goo health, the chances of you coming down with the flu (whether it's swine flu or common seasonal flu) drops dramatically. You can still get an H1N1a vaccine if you want, but it's probably unnecessary.
     
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    "When Christian engage in chatter like this, they violate scripture's admonition against engaging in gossip."

    Uh, thanks for correcting me I had a different concept of gossip.

    Merriam-Webster would probably like an email of correction as well. " a person who habitually reveals personal or sensational facts about others
    2 a : rumor or report of an intimate nature b : a chatty talk c : the subject matter of gossip"

    You might speak to God as well since the word doesn't seem to be in my Bible, nor can I find health care program, nor .....

    :thumbsup:

    Arrogance might relate - dunno. " a feeling or an impression of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims" (same source) :tonofbricks:

    "If you're over 65 and in goo health" wouldn't "goo health" relate to those under one or two? :)
     
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    Yes, when you say that people "over 65 ... are not allowed to have an N1H1 (sic) flu shot", that not only fits Merriam-Webster's definition, it violates scripture.

    Then you shoudl stop being arrogant as well.

    Aside from the fact that I obviously can't type :eek:, infants are also among those who are not on the list alongside people over 65, yet gossipers never say "the government is withholding the vaccine from little kids!" Probably because it would make the claim sound as ridiculous as it is.
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    Like any vaccine, the H1N1 vaccine is not perfect. However it is an added immunity that most people do not have.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your information. I just checked, and the Centers for Disease Control has not changed its advisory on this other than to caution older people that if they become infected they are "at greater risk of having serious complications from their illness". This is probably due to the various underlying problems many people over 65 years of age have.

     
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    That's really funny, coming from someone who first claimed the vaccine wasn't safe, and then complained that it was being given to everyone.
     
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    Some other information which I've read (and sorry..... I don't have the links so either take my word or skip it unless you wish to research for yourself), many of the elderly have already either sufficient previous exposure to the varieties of flu or repetitive vaccines that they are not as susceptible to the flu as is popularized by the CDC, the media, and big PHARMA which finds the flu vaccine as a big cash cow every season. People who's health is already comprimised because of health issues or current infection are not good candidates for a challenge to their immune system by the flu vaccine. People who have just received the seasonal flu vaccine are also already receiving a challenge to their immune system by the ivasion into their body from other than a normal route of exposure to a foreign agent and should be placed on hold before beiing given another challenge............ how long between, I don't know......... but the common sense of this agrees with what I know and have studied about these wonderful bodies God has designed for us.

    A caution, I would suggest for anyone with children........ or anyone who receives the nasal vaccine, is to realize that they have received a live virus and while they are building up their own immunity, the virus may also replicate and shed to others which are more compromised and could catch the flu, so be aware avoid these exposures to weaker persons if possible.
     
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    Many people claim a conspiratorial control of the government by big pharmaceutical companies. If that were so, then the government would be insisting on people over 65 getting the H1N1a vaccine.
     
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    That's actually incorrect. The virus is live, but it can't replicate. It's the same type of vaccination as the polio vaccine. It's taken orally, and is a live vaccine. You won't get polio from the live polio vaccine, and you won't get swine flu from the swine flu vaccine.
     
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    >The virus is live, but it can't replicate.

    How is that accomplished?
     
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    Perhaps not providing seniors over age 65 with the vaccine is part of the Obama plan to solve the social security shortfall problem.

    Or perhaps it is a test run of healthscare rationing for seniors.
     

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