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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by SaggyWoman, Sep 6, 2007.
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I voted other. I could be a five pointer...but not how it is currently defined.
Total Depravity...Man in himself can do nothing to attain righteousness. Without God reaching out to man, man would perish.
Unconditional Election...God unconditionally elects all of those who have faith in Jesus Christ.
Limited Atonement...Christ's atonement is limited to the world.
Irrisistable Grace...We cannot resist what God has already done by sending His Son in our place.
Perseverance of the Saints...A child of God should want to perseve as they are a new creation, but as with Lot, they can be drawn back into the world.
He unconditionally elects those who meet the condition of faith? :smilewinkgrin:
I just deny unconditional election.
Hey, if it can work for the calvinist...it can work for me
I voted 5-pointer, but i'm not sure the difference between 5-pointer and " Unequivocably yes"
Some people think they are calvinist and only follow three points. So, I put all the limited possibilities.
I truly believe that it was God who took the initiative in my salvation.
I wasn't seeking after Him....He was seeking me.
I reject Calvin and all his doctrine. He isn't called the "Protestant Pope" for no reason. He has the blood of innocent saints on his hands.
I also disdain the notion that arguments such as "eternal security" et al come down between Calvinism and Arminianism. Rather, Calvin's concepts of these great truths are based upon his own distorted views, and not sound intepretaions of God's Word.
The bottom line is, what God says vs. what man (be it Calvin or anyone else) says.
Since Calvinism goes way beynd the five points of the Canons of Dort, I am not a Calvinist. The only folks who would call me that are in the Weslyean camp.
I alos remember Obediah Holmes' handling by the Calvinist Puritans of Massachusettes Bay Colony.
TM : You reject all of Calvin's doctrines ?! Really , you have familiarized yourself with his many works to make that unfounded statement ?! You have read all of his commentaries , all his sermons , The Institutes etc . ?! I sincerely doubt it . You have some retracting to do . You have embarrassed yourself . Many of his doctrines can be safely embraced by most non-Cals because they adhere so well to the Scripture .
BTW , what "innocent" saints are you referring to ?
So the preservation of the saints is just a notion that Calvin concocted and not to be found in the Bible ?!
SR : Yes , Calvinism goes beyond the 5 points of the S of D . Many don't realize that . It's worth saying .
The treatment of Holmes was indeed disgraceful . Neverthless , you are lumping a lot of folks of the Calvinist camp into a compartment in which they do not fit . Did you know that some Calvinists ( while remaning Calvinists ) turned Baptists as a result of the testimony of Holmes ?
TM : Read his works before making such absurd remarks . If you choose not to , then I will leave you to bask in your host of misperceptions .
I am definitely a 5 pointer, does that put me on the outs with the management?
I am not a Calvinist. In fact, I think the idea is not even worth debating, so I avoid it. I do enjoy the Calvin and Hobbs cartoon, though.
Arminianism doesn't help there. God (in his foreknowledge) still created those he knew would reject him.
Universalism and open theism are the only "outs."
I am a Christian. I follow no ones but Christ teachings...
I can agree with parts of a lot of beliefs but only one truly has it 100% right...
I'm a four point Calvinist
but I agree with 'I' not 'L'.