Are You A Pharisee?

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  1. HAMel

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    How do you know if you are a “Pharisee”?

    When you do not have a teachable spirit.
    When you become defensive if a fellow Christian shares a concern about your spiritual condition.
    When you do not seek to hear from God, believing you already know what He thinks.
    When you feel that you are capable of helping others in their spiritual lives, but no one can teach you anything.

    Don’t allow the limited knowledge you now have to blind you to the great truths God still wants to reveal to you.

    Luke 10:21 (NLT) At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.
     
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    I'm more than happy and grateful to submit to correction from those in my church or mature Christians I know. Unfortunately, though, online, "correction" usually means, "I don't like what you said and I think you should agree with me".
     
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    Where do these central points you are attempting to make come from?
     
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    "Where do these central points you are attempting to make come from?"

    ...from the actions, demeanor and what's been recorded regarding the Pharisees and their attitude.

    Perhaps there's a few more "central points" that could be added, no?
     
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    Totally dysfunctional operating system.

    Control , control & more control.....
    Lindsey Graham.....Dont do it again TED!

    After practicing that for a few years the RINO, A Pharisee, A Alcoholic, A VP of Sales etc., doesnt know any other way to live do they..... the dysfunction becomes so manifest. "This is how its going to be & nothing new is going to happen."

    The conservative personality usually wants to shame & blame somebody & the liberal says no one should ever be blamed (except perhaps the conservatives!)

    This is DYSFUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR & it invades many who walk the face of the planet today.

    And people become enslaved to this behavior & they feed off the emotionalism of others who in time become codependents. Ive seen this happen among Pastors, Fathers & Mothers, Alcoholics & Drug Addicts, Drug Pushers & Business Owners, Politicians...... anywhere the control factor takes over. Hopefully along the way the codependent makes a break with this unhealthy process..... but it really is the devils major way to mess up this earth. Sometimes I think he is succeeding.
     
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    "The conservative personality usually wants to shame & blame somebody & the liberal says no one should ever be blamed (except perhaps the conservatives!)"

    ...and then we have the way of Jesus.

    I do not really believe that Jesus blamed the Pharisee's but rather, called it like it was.
     
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    Shame on you for plagiarizing this info and even after being asked about its source you still acted like it was your work.
     
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    basically, a modern day pharisee aree ones thatwould hold their understand if theology and doctrines are ONLY correct ones, and that what we see as being preferences/convictions are hard truths to them!
     
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    Dishonesty would also mark a "Pharisee" imho.
     
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    Good point, but their problem was that they were 'too blind" to see that trait!
     
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    Wasnt Paul one though?
     
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    All Pharisees weren't pharisaical; consider Nicodemus and possibly Joseph of Arimathea.
     
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    Thats my point....we often use "Pharisee" as a pejorative when it should not be used.
     
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    Every morning I receive a Daily Devotional from, http://www.studytheword.citymax.com/page/page/1471069.htm

    From this e-mail I posted as I did.

    Nothing to hide.

    ...but it does seem to me a bit ironic that almost immediately the source was demanded and then I'm accused of being a criminal. I can only assume that most of you who post opinions articulate some from what you've read somewhere, no? Are references always provided? Nope.

    Perhaps it touched a nerve in some of you? So be it. Fitting for the likes of Pharisee's at large. You all have a good time as I'm outta here. :thumbs:
     
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    I saw no plagiarism on your part. Heavens sakes, we have one on here who uses a Sproul quote in his signature, and no credit is given. :)

    I can only speculate that we are to suppose he came up with it himself. :wavey:
     
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    yes...I agree.
     
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    Yep. The Pharisees were people who were very concerned about living righteously. We would do well to have their zeal. Some of Jesus' best disciples were formerly Pharisees.

    What we are to avoid is the error of the Pharisees which was to think that the keeping of the Law was through effort. That failed immediately, so they took to practices and disciplines in order to keep the Law externally, apparently hoping that the change would occur internally as well. That is extremely common today. Most of us have gone through a Pharisee phase - if we aren't stuck in one right now!

    Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that they need to focus on keeping the Law internally, and that's a matter of leaning on God's grace, using both internal and external disciplines to break the habitual patterns of sin and refocus our hearts and minds on the ways of the Kingdom of God. We have to become a disciple of Jesus in order to experience transformation. We cannot do it on our own. We desperately need the empowering of the Spirit and the guidance of Jesus. Fortunately, if we make an effort in that direction, we will certainly get Divine assistance and will see the changes come into our lives, but internally and externally.
     

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