Are you Arminian Semi-Pelagian Pelagian?

Discussion in 'Calvinism/Arminianism Debate' started by Yeshua1, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. Yeshua1

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    If you see yourself as not being a calvinist ?
     
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    You should have clearly sectioned things off. Why no commas?

    To plainly distinguish :Are you an Arminian, semi-Pelagian, or a Pelagian?

    Most non-Calvinists are not willing to call themselves Arminian. Most non-Calvinists have never even heard the term semi-Pelagian, though most mainstream Christians in America are according to Roger Olson --a self-proclaimed Arminian.

    For someone to publically come out and admit that they were Palagian on a Christian forum would be unheard of.
     
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    Arminian. Because the Bible does not teach Calvinism.
     
  4. Rebel

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    None of the above. :)
     
  5. Van

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    Yet another thread with no definition of terms. I am reminded of the 1950's and the question, are you a communist or fellow traveler? The whole idea is to disparage, smear, and belittle those who believe what the Bible says over and against the views of those who thought burning at the stake was suitable.
     
  6. Rebel

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    I wonder if those "Christians" who did such things are in heaven now. Have you ever wondered about that? All of the Magisterial Reformers supported such.
     
  7. Rippon

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    Can you please dismount your pet hobbyhorse?

    The subject has nothing to do with your oft-repeated lies.
     
  8. Jerome

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    More tiresome schoolmarm sniping, again capped off with one's own misspelling.
    Priceless.
    :tonofbricks:
     
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    I am non of those to include non cal. Calvinism is not the standard by which to measure our belief systems. I am a Christian.
     
  10. robustheologian

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    And here goes the genetic fallacy.
     
  11. Rippon

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    Well, one misspelling out of three isn't bad.

    Tell me, when you are at my heels, calling me a schoolmarm, what does that make you? That's right : super-schoolmarm. :)
     
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    Was I talking to you, punk? You are the only liar I've seen on here so far.

    Just so everyone will know, I sent Rippon a PM offering to make peace, and I never heard from him. He is dust that I have shaken off my feet now.
     
  13. Rebel

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    Those who deny what the Magisterial Reformers did and supported are disingenuous, to put it kindly.
     
  14. Van

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    And still no definitions offered by the OP author. Would it be fair to say Calvinists are fellow travelers with stake burning advocates? No of course not, just as it is absurd to charge non-Cal with undefined heresies.

    Is our oft seen sandbox behavior instigated by the Calvinists' inability to offer a principled defense of their view? Food for thought.
     
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    Do you hold, as Wesley did, that we are sinners and depraived, and cannot place faith in Jesus unless the Holy Spirit Himself granted to us the grace and means to do such??

    or do you see sinners as still being able to freely decide to come to jesus first, and then the Holy spirit does His work?
     
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    This has nothing to do with denying the past of some Reformers but to use past behavior to discredit Calvinism is a guilt by association fallacy. It's no different than people who say Christianity is false or who don't go to church because of the bad behavior of some Christians. Just like bad Christians don't make the truths of Christianity false, bad Reformers don't make the truths of Calvinism false.
     
  17. Van

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    Why not define your terms? What are you afraid of - the truth?

    If you are going to assert that someone held this or that position, provide a quote or link to article.

    My position is "limited spiritual ability." This encompasses those with no spiritual ability, having lost it, i.e. the first soil of Matthew 13, and then those with the ability to hear and understand and respond to the gospel, the other three soils of Matthew 13.

    Do you believe, as Calvinism asserts, God predestines everything, i.e. exhaustive determinism, or do you believe God does not predestine each and every sin we commit?

    Why not answer the question? What are you afraid of - the truth?
     
  18. Yeshua1

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    The Bible teaches to us that God is absolute sovereign in all of His ways, but that does not mean that he causes all things that happen, but that He os both the direct cause of things, and also permits other acts to be done, but still in all things he knows and is bringing to pass his will despite eviil and sin!

    And paul does not know of that limited ability to make decisions for jesus, as he and all of the other writers saw mankind as being in bondage to the sinful human will we received after the Fall!
     
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    And you think I disagree with that? I do not. But you know that some on here deny that the Magisterial Reformers were persecutors.

    It is true that bad Reformers don't make Calvinism false. Calvinism is false doctrine all on its own. It makes humans puppets and god a monster. It is the single most despicable, abhorrent, anti-Jesus, anti-God system of doctrines ever invented by a man. It makes god the author of evil, and it teaches the eternal destruction of the vast majority of humanity without them ever having a chance, all just to glorify god. This is NOT the gospel. In no way can it be called "good news". It is a doctrine of demons, invented by a demon in human form. I hate it more than any doctrine in all of Christianity because it is the complete opposite of who God really is.
     
  20. robustheologian

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    According to you...not according to the Bible.
     

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