Are you standing up for the truth?

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  1. evangelist6589

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    Great message from David Jeremiah last night on this topic from the book of Daniel chapter 6. He spoke on a forbidden topic, said that Planned Parenthood needed to be defunded and said some wonderful things that the Denver market needed to hear. So how to apply the message? How are you standing up for truth in your life? Sending letters to members of congress? The governor? Your lost friends? False churches? Taking a stand for righteousness at your job? School? How do you stand up?

    Note-There may have been 10,000 people last night at the Pepsi Center so lots heard the message. I wonder if any of the false teachers showed up.
     
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    First of all, you need to define more precisely who the "you" is in your OP.

    If it refers to the person who is reading your OP, the way that person ought to stand up for the truth will still vary depending up the particular circumstance(s) of that person at the time he/she is reading your OP.

    For example, if you're talking about a man who is the head pastor of a local church, his response(s) will be different than that of a mother with very small children tugging at her apron strings for something to eat while at the same time she's putting another load of dirty diapers into the washing machine while she's telling her little 4 YO daughter to hold still while she puts a new Band Aid on her bruised and bleeding knee.

    The preacher's response would most likely be to draw up a sermon or two that he'll preach to his congregation challenging his flock to become more actively involved in the political realm so that, for example, they might donate their time and money to help out, say, the downtown Gospel rescue mission or maybe a Christian crisis pregnancy center, etc.

    OTOH, that poor mother's response would probably be just to stay at home and doing all she can to influence her young children to stop being angry at each other and learn to express their love for their brothers or sisters instead of constantly fighting with each other, or maybe start something like a backyard Bible club where other children are invited to share some snacks while she leads them in some childrens' praise choruses and reads to them stories from the Bible such as young David confronting Goliath and telling those kids that they can be "little Davids too" if they truly depend on Jesus to help them to fight the forces of Satan in their own young lives.

    Two people in two different circumstances responding in two very different ways to two different sets of people, but both are doing what they firmly believe are the ways that God is calling them to stand up for the truth.
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    BTW, did you happen to notice any false teachers in attendance at Bro. Jeremiah's service? If you did, did you do anything personally to confront them with the truths of God's Word?
     
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    Standing up for the truth that God has decreed is important. However, unless one has lived a life of sacrifice in service to God and others truth will make one callous and cold.

    Unless we regularly spend time giving up some of our comforts and benefits in this life in order that the glory of God may be seen in this world truth is not relevant nor evident in your life.
     
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    10,000 people. Really???
     
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    In his heyday, I've heard that was the crowd estimates for some of Billy Graham's region-wide crusades that lasted some two or three weeks.

    If that really was a valid estimate, it probably was the overall grand total attendance figures.

    If Graham held a three-week regional crusade that totaled 10,000 people, then that'd only average out to about a little over 700 people for each of the 14 crusade days that it lasted. Also one needs to recall that "Dr. Billy" himself didn't always preach the main sermon at some of the crusade meetings that were sponsored by the Billy Graham Crusade organization.

    Then too, sometimes he'd also speak more than once per day, so that'd whittle down the "per each individual meeting" number even more.

    Even the 700 or so people was not an unreasonable number for some of his region-wide crusades.

    It'd be interesting to find out what the "average per individual meeting" attendance figures are for Franklin Graham's crusade meetings are in this current era.
     
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    I've been dying to pose this question of all these revivals that are held to bring people to Christ, how many who come to Christ from these revivals continue in the Faith?... How many are following what someone else does and is it the emotion or the heartfelt spiritual connection that causes them to come?... Where are the figures that says they have stayed the course... 1, 5, 10, 20 years down the road?... I also came to Christ when he called I came but not during a revival... Just wondering!... Brother Glen
     
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    I'd be interested to know about this info as well.

    I've also been told that some evangelists also have people on their payroll that are dressed in average clothing, etc., that are scattered throughout the audience who respond to the invitation by coming forward only to encourage others in the audience to also come forward--whether or not they're wanting to do so.

    Psychologists have said that if a person is wavering as to how to respond to a guilt-based call to come forward, if they see others apparently step forward, they will also respond by going forward.
     
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    I don't mean to be the one that cries wolf but... The Great Awakening/Reformation now THAT was a real REVIVAL!... Brother Glen
     
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    Only problem I see with the Great Awakening is that the number of live DVD's for any of its messages is somewhat limited.
     
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    There is always the Internet or as a last resort pick up a book... Those of the Great Awakening didn't have the Internet but they did have books... btw they didn't have DVDs either... Are we spoiled or what?:smilewinkgrin:... Brother Glen
     
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    The Great Awakening was in the 18th century and the Reformation was in the 16th century.
     
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    Well, generally in an erect posture with my feet about 18 inches apart.

    Ergun Caner, in a "exposition" (!) of Romans 9 said that he's going to be:
    "Standing on top of my hands. Standing on top of my feet. Standing on a stump."

    Those are strange positions for standing.

    I prefer Psalm 40:2:
    "He lifted me out of the slimy pit,
    out of the mud and mire;
    he set my feet on a rock
    and gave me a firm place to stand."
     
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    Oh my word Calvinists have Ergun Caner derange syndrome.
     
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    Spend some time with a rabbit Rippon!

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    Arminian multiply like rabbits!

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    I still have my c. 1962 reel-to-reel tape recorder, but, alas ......:laugh:

    Those guys back then sure could do some preaching though.

    While I can't prove it, but I've been told that Jonathan Edwards didn't preach the way that most of today's revivalist evangelists do when he gave out his classic "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" sermon.....He just stood up from the pulpit (or whatever it was) and read that entire sermon to the congregation.

    If that's really an accurate representation of how Bro. Edwards' platform oratory was back in the 1740's, maybe that's what some of today's firebrands on the stage ought to do, y'all think?!!?
     
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    That's a strange turn of phrase. What do you mean by "the Denver market?"
     
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    Denver is a corrupt and sinful city. Sin abounds here.
     
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    From my reading of history, Edwards was concerned about some of the sensationalism of the Great Awakening and wanted to avoid using emotions to manipulate people so he did read Sinner's in a monotone voice. I listened to Sinner's on my Kindle once and even in the monotone of the Kindle it is a powerful convicting sermon. Shows you don't have to manipulate emotions but can instead preach truth and the Holy Spirit will do His job.
     
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    Invoking emotions and manipulating them are two entirely different things. However it seems as of late it is fully understood that there is no error in evoking emotions so the accusation is carried to an ungodly level of manipulation.


    Such cannot be proven to be true.
     

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