at what point should we baptist separate?

Interesting that you lumped women ministers (Junia, Phoebe, et al.) and gay ministers together.

 

When there is theological/ doctrine difference then there is no unity.

Sound fundamental doctrine is the key for unity.

The guy who said we can just agree to disagree is a fool and knows nothing of the Word of God.

 

Are we talking individuals (families)
seperating from churches?
Are we talking a church seperating from
other churches?
Aren't all Baptist churches basicaly SEPERATE
anyway? (well, unless they happen to get
in a literature pool or mission board)

massdak: "should we separate for free will vs. Gods sovereignty?"

No, room for both

massdak: "should we separate for altar calls vs. calls only to Christ"

Yes, in favor of alter calls

massdak: "should we separate for women and gay ministers vs. men
only as preachers"

No, room for women/gay ministers
but straight married-once
men only Senior Pastors

massdak: "should we separate for Evangelical ecumenical union vs
fundamental doctrine"

Yes, in favor of fundamental doctrine

 

If the British Baptist Union had separated years ago, there would be no evangelical churches left in the Union.

If all the evangelicals had given up the Baptist Conventions in Canada, there would be no evangelicals in those pulpits to-day.

If we all separate over twists of doctrines, personalities, we would have no churches to-day.

Surely we have more faith in God's word than a few blokes who would lead the church astray. Preach the word and to thine own self be true; do what you have to do.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I have found over the years that I have even disagreed with myself. There have been things that I once believed but after a long time and study I see things differently. Hopefully a little wiser now.

 

Sometimes, gb, methinks we thinketh too much and looking back we weren't far off to begin with.

Cheers,

Jim

 

"Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them."

"Purge out therefore the old leaven that ye may be a new lump."

"Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord."

"From such withdraw thyself."

"From such turn away."

Mark Osgatharp

 

Seprate over whatever you want. Most reasons are really stupid. The theological "manuvers" that so many go through in order to be seperate are almost hilarious if the end result wasn't so sad.

 

Yes, both are true and I don't care if it seems illiogical.

I am not familiar with this controversy (I've heard of it but not the details) but as best as I can tell, for the first 51 years of my life it has not been relevant.

Definite deal breaker, as well as children ministers, unqualified men preachers, liberal preachers, me, my whole family, my friends, and almost everybody I know. The unique qualifications for pastors eliminates a HUGE portion of the population. Anyone can proclaim the gospel but only a few can pastor the flock.

If it isn't fundamental, it isn't the truth and I am outta there.

When you can no longer, with a clear conscience reccommend your church or them to others.

MAJOR and THEY are no longer in unity with me, not the other way around.

 

Kent Witcher: When there is theological/doctrine difference then there is no unity. Sound fundamental doctrine is the key for unity. The guy who said we can just agree to disagree is a fool and knows nothing of the Word of God.

Norm: Goodness, who among us is satisifed with what he or she knows and has not competing interests and understandings? And in terms of doctrine uniting us, well, generally such belief is the stuff of those less mature with love and the capability of and desire for 'letting be.' However, concerning the last sentence above, I would suggest this foolish person likely has a greater capacity to embody Christ's love for the other than his or her critics of said thinking.

 

In the early days of modernism in Baptist circles, not all men separated from the Union. They were expelled from the Union and forced to start their own fellowship. There was always an attempt to hold onto the reins and lead.

When Dr. Shields and Jarvis Street Baptist Church were expelled from the Baptist Convention, more men took a stand and followed. Perhaps more than had Dr. Shields left on his own volition.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Yes, God draws everyone, HIS timing, HIS method, HIS degree, HIS plan (so that they are without excuse).

I can either say "yes", or I can say "no" and it is MY responsibility which one I say (free will) and that is the way God wants it to be (Sovereignty).

 

massdak,

Why don't you just split from all liberals (ie everyone). I think only then will you will finnally be free.

 

I doubt that there's a single person on the whole planet that I agree with on every minute facet of every doctrine. Even among family and close friends there are (amiable) differences. We agree on the bigger picture of biblical authority and inspiration, but not necessarily on interpretation. Personally, I believe disputes are always going to be present among Christians, and that might be a healthy thing. These disputes draw us back to Scripture, since we might be tempted to ignore the Bible if we agreed with our fellow believers on every point. (Not that arguments are always useful. If disputes get out of hand, or are based on some personal agenda, then that is a different matter.)