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Baptist Groups who don't accept OSAS

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by CarpentersApprentice, Oct 13, 2007.

  1. CarpentersApprentice

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    I found the Scriptural references for the Free Will Baptists...

    From A TREATISE of the Faith and Practices of the National Association of Free Will Baptists, Inc.

    CHAPTER XIII. Perseverance of the Saints.

    There are strong grounds to hope that the truly regenerate will persevere unto the end, and be saved, through the power of divine grace which is pledged for their support; (127) but their future obedience and final salvation are neither determined nor certain, since through infirmity and manifold temptations they are in danger of falling; (128) and they ought, therefore, to watch and pray lest they make shipwreck of their faith and be lost. (129)

    (127). Romans 8:38, 39: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. 1 Cor. 10:13: God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 2 Cor. 12:9: My grace is sufficient for thee. Job 17:9; Matt. 16:18; John 10:27, 28; Phil. 1:6.

    (128). 2 Chronicles 15:2: The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him...but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. 2 Pet 1:10: Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall. Ezek. 33:18: When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. John 15:6; 1 Cor. 10:12; Heb. 6:4-6; 12:15; 1 Chron. 28:9; Rev. 2:4; 1 Tim. 1:19; 2 Pet. 2:20, 21; 1 Cor. 9:27; Matt. 24:13; Acts 1:25; Rev. 22:19.

    (129). See APPENDIX TO CHAPTER XIII....

    APPENDIX TO CHAPTER XIII. Adopted July, 1969

    1. We believe that salvation is a present possession by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior and that a person’s eternal destiny depends on whether he has this possession. This we hold in distinction from those who teach that salvation depends on human works or merit.

    2. We believe that a saved individual may, in freedom of will, cease to trust in Christ for salvation and once again be lost. This we hold in distinction from those who teach that a believer may not again be lost.

    3. We believe that any individual living in the practice of sin (whether he be called “backslider” or “sinner”) must be judged by that evidence to be lost should he so die in his sins. This we hold in distinction from those who suggest that pernicious doctrine that a man may live in sin as he pleases and still claim Heaven as his eternal home.

    4. We believe that any regenerate person who has sinned (again, whether he be called “backslider” or “sinner”) and in whose heart a desire arises to repent may do so and be restored to favor and fellowship with God. This we hold in distinction from those who teach that when a Christian sins he cannot repent and be restored to favor and fellowship with God. (159)

    (159). 2 Peter 1:4-10: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

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  2. BobRyan

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    hmm - I am startin' to feel like a "Free Will - Seventh-day baptist"
     
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    They are the same. Just said two different ways.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    OSAS is an attempt to make up something that was supposed to have given assurance - the problem is that it only works for those who deny the Bible doctrine on perseverance.

    Amazingly not only do 4 pt Calvinists go that route to clear the way for OSAS -- but there are even some Arminians that leap off of that bridge with them in a desperate effort to invent an assurance apart from scripture. The other OSAS believers just cling to it no matter how it contradicts their view of salvation.

    In the mean time -

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
  5. CarpentersApprentice

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    RE 1. Assurance of salvation? YES! 2. OSAS? NO! in Christ, Bob

    Well... Perhaps, not exactly the same.

    For the Free Will Baptists, I think, the key word seems to be "present" as in "salvation is a present possession by faith."

    Right now (today) one can know "through the power of divine grace" that they are saved, but the future still holds the possibility that - because of "infirmity and manifold temptations" - one may ultimately "be lost."

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    I see Seventh-day Baptists included in your list of General Baptists - but don't know what this says about their accepting/rejecting OSAS.
     
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    In the Arminian model you know with complete assurance that you are saved today - but cannot know that 20 years from now you will choose to remain saved.

    The 3 and 5 point Calvinist model cannot even allow you to know that - since they will argue that failing to persevere 20 years from today - retro-deletes all present assurance such that what you think you know today is also false.

    It is one thing to claim that an olympic athlete trained for 10 years to win the Olympics but then the year before the Olympics turned to gambling, drinking and gluttony and lost all chance of it.

    It is another thing to claim that he was never an athlete at all - no training, no athletics just an "odd form" of drinking, gambling and gluttony for those 10 years.
     
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    Do you mean my list, Bob? I thought I had them in Regular Baptists. The earliest Seventh-day Baptists in America came out of Regular or Particular Baptist churches. There was also (and may still be) a German Seventh Day Baptist church that had a different origin and did believe in possible falling from grace. They are similar to the Old German Baptist Brethren but hold the seventh day.
     
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