Baylor University's Biology Department's Statement On Evolution?

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  1. Randolf777

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    Here is a copy of Baylor University Biology Department's Statement on Evolution:

    "Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."

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    http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php?id=77368

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  2. Revmitchell

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    Baylor lost its way a long time ago
     
  3. Smyth

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    It's next to impossible to get Biology credentials at most universities without being an Evolutionist. So, guess who Bayler has to hire for their biology department.

    It's next to impossible to get a psychology degree if you believe homosexuality is a sin or a disorder. So, guess what psychological associations are going to say about homosexuality.

    Political Correctness is a powerful force that Christian colleges can't escape.
     
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    Evolution as a worldview is materialistic atheism, unscientific evolutionism.
    Evolution as a scientific theory can be tested, observed and verified.

    Their theories are used to great advantage in a number of various disciplines, including medicine.

    It is not unusual that their views cross the boundary between philosophy and science.

    Baylor recognizes that science and philosophy are involved in the process.
    They correctly accuse theists of a philosophical bias.
    It appears that they fail to recognize that they have a philosophical bias as well.

    Rob
     
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    It's not honest to engage in bait-and-switch.
     
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    Lol, I don't get your response. Who is baiting and switching? I think Baylor is pretty honest with this statement.

    Being someone with lot's of biology/physiology, I can assure you that theories that are under the "evolution theory" are used every day by medical research and they accurately predict the way medications, treatments and other things are going to work. Seriously. Now whether you believe in macro-evolution or not, these theories under that umbrella do work and that is the reason there is probably not one medical school in the world that doesn't teach the theory of evolution. Just saying. . .
     
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    You're baiting-and-switching. Anything that can can be tested, observed and verified is not Evolution.
     
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    Merriam-Webster's definition of "evolve" when it


    verb \i-ˈvälv\


    evolved
    evolving


    : to change or develop gradually

    First off, I never said anything about observability. I said that evolutionary theory is used to great effect in medicine every single day in every hospital and medical facility. I didn't try to get you to believe in macro-evolution (unguided by God or not). I simply said that the theories are a necessary part of medical and biological training to get predictability in research and development of drugs, cancer treatments, new virus development that search out ill cells or malignant and thousands of other examples.

    People who have never taken advanced courses in evolutionary biology simply do not understand the theories and their applications. It IS a necessary part of training for doctors and researchers. It's not just a single theory, it is the entire mechanism of biological change over time based on mutations and adaptation.

    One very tiny example is the rapid evolution of different type of bacteria such as Staphylococcus aureus which once developed a resistance to penicillin and methicillin, then evolved to a resistance of Vancomycin and is now becoming resistant to that.

    These changes in the bacteria are "genetic" or they would not pass from one generation to the next. If you study exactly how the cell wall becomes resistant to these antibiotics you could see just how complex this change is. It is a major advancement in the organism toward a much tougher bug.

    This is but one very tiny example. You don't want me to get into "attack viruses" that we are developing and why evolutionary theory is used in this process to predict how the genes have to be designed.

    It would be easy to say not to teach evolution at a Christian college like Baylor which has one of the highest rankings for turning out researchers and doctors in the nation. You cannot replace their necessary evolution classes with a detailed study of the book of Genesis.

    Let me make one thing very clear. . As a Christian involved in the medical industry, I see God's design down to the cellular level with the unbelieavable complexity of life and all of the functions required. It gets frustrating when people believe "Answers in Genesis" over mainstream scientific capability and knowledge base today. Without it, you would have very poor medical care compared to its level now.
     
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    Get back to us when you find a relevant definition.

    I know you're ignorant, but what about me?

    Penicillin resistant staphylococcus is to Evolution what jumping is to flying. It only impresses the fools.

    America is the most Creationist country on Earth and we also have the most advanced medicine on Earth. The fathers of modern medicine were overwhelmingly Creationists. If anything, the Evolutionist intolerance of dissent, which has resulted in the takeover of education has, slowed medical progress. So, sell your snake oil to someone else.
     
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    You cite micro evolution examples to show that the theory of macro evolution is beneficial to medicine.

    You are making a pretty big leap here from micro to macro evolution, which is not observable or testable. How does observation of micro evolution and adaptability justify the teaching of the theory of macro evolution?

    How about you just teach people adaptability and micro evolution?

    Also your comment about believing mainstream scientific knowledge base....the bible warns of science falsely so called, and warns that the broad way leads to destruction. For you to imply the reliability of a majority of scientific opinions of people who are mostly unregenerate is foolish. The bible talks about people being willingly ignorant as well.

    Majority consensus does not prove truth. What is the majority scientific opinion on miracles? What is the majority scientific opinion on homosexuality?

    Majority scientific opinion is not God, so stop treating it as such.
     
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    This is very relevant because it is the basis behind all evolutionary theory. Then it goes toward change for adaptability.

    I am assuming that this is not intended as ad hominem. In what areas do you think I am ignorant? I have no idea how ignorant about any subject you are based on one post. I usually never call people that.

    Yes, it is a large leap, but it shows the mechanisms required to make much larger leaps in complexity and adaptation of an orgasm. Given time, these observed increases in complexity have little to stop them and they are predictable on every level of organism.

    I don't disagree. I know many creationists in the medical industry and also many scientists both in the medical and technical industries. Out of several hundred I have met and talked to, I know of only one who believes the Earth is 6000 years old.

    Being in the medical field, I completely disagree that medical progress has been slowed. Due to evolutionary theories we are having breakthroughs more and more in the research of cancer treatment, cellular targeted genetically engineered viruses for multiple purposes, antibiotics, growth of new organs and body structures among many fields I am not even aware of.

    Once you get into graduate schools of decent universities there is not dissent because there just isn't any discussion regarding the theories taught because they are predictable when used in the lab and in practice.
     

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