Bible errors

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Sep 10, 2016.

  1. evangelist6589

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    It seems like every time I go out witnessing I run into someone that does not believe the Bible and refuses to study it in depth or read any books or tracts defending it. It's like they want to believe what they wish and refuse to admit they are wrong or could be wrong. They believe the Bible to be full of errors but refuse to study any of these errors in depth. It grieves that people could be so relativistic and so I usually come on them hard with the law and the reality of Gods judgment on them. I just can't reach people like this.
     
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    Are you describing people you meet, or people on this message board? <grin>

    If you can't reach them, then "coming down hard" on them is only driving them further away.

    Don't "come down" on anyone; don't try to convince, persuade, or argue; just preach the Word and let God work.
     
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  3. evangelist6589

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    Reread my first sentence. It's people I witness too. If they are humble then I give them grace. If proud then they get law. Law for the proud and grace for the humble.
     
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    A lot of us get quite hung up on terms like inerrant and infallible.

    Inerrancy is an important issue, but it isn't the most important word about Scripture.

    How about truthful, reliable, authoritative, the normative guide for our churches and our lives.
     
  5. Jerome

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    Take this passage from Genesis:

    Genesis 29
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    And Jacob kissed Rachel, and lifted up his voice, and wept.
    12 And Jacob told Rachel that he was her father's brother...

    Do you really think it happened in that order? Don't you think he must have told her he was her relative before kissing her?
     
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    Not necessarily.

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    Bible errors:

    There is no such thing as a "Bible error".

    Scribal error - Yes.
    Bible error - No.

    Misunderstanding - yes, in all probability

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    One of the stupidest things I have ever heard a young preacher say is "a better way to translate this is . . . " Such pride! Such arrogance! Such audacity! Such impudence!

    One tin-horn little preacher thinks his knowledge of Hebrew or Greek, learned in a one semester "bone head Greek" class, is superior to the combined wisdom of the 50 or 75 or 100 assembled Hebrew and Greek scholars who labored for years on the translation?

    A textual variant? Fine explain it.

    A philosophical difference in translation methodology? Fine. Explore it.

    Rob the people of their confidence in the word of God? Never!

    Such a little pipsqueak of a "preacher" has just set himself up as the "Authoritative Magisterium" of God's flock. He is now the little "Protestant Pope." His pronouncements ex cathedra from his fancy little pulpit have now convinced his listeners that they cannot understand the bible and should stop reading and studying it and just listen to the "preacher."

    Such is how cults are born!
     
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    Many people assert that the Bible, in the original autographs, was inerrant. Although some errors might have been introduced in transmission, and certainly in translation, it remains trustworthy and reliable.

    The godless left has taken the Bible out of public education (despite our Constitutional right) and instead teach godless origins. A warm swamp here, a lightning strike there, and viola, life from non-life. The only solution is vouchers were we can put our kids in schools that do not bash God.

    Unless we till the ground, prepare the person, we cannot expect them to reject what they were taught in their formative years.
     
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    Agreed.
    And yes - Been there done that (to quote a cliche) howbeit several decades back in my youth.

    Never have been a "preacher".
    Teacher - yes, preacher - no.

    I now have several more tools other than just my school boy days Greek and Hebrew grammars, lexicons, etc several other grammars - when I can find them (and a complete Kittlel's Dictionary of the NT).

    Now, if and when there are variants, methodology differences rarely used "Elizabethan" KJV English, I like to quote different versions ... the NKJV says..., the ASV uses..., the NIV says...etc, Young's Literal, etc where applicable.

    At least they have the title "the Holy Bible" on them and not my name.

    The three most used bibles in the local church I attend and teach (seniors): NIV (in the pews), NKJV, KJV in that order.

    This I only due rarely as I agree, - why raise an unnecessary area of concern.

    e.g.
    KJV Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    RSV Hebrews 1:1 In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets;

    NIV Hebrews 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

    Here is an interesting on:
    Douay-Rheims English Catholic Bible (Rheims, AD1582):

    Hebrews 1:1 God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all,

    Unrelated side issue:
    Notice the similarity with the Rheims and the 1611/1769 KJV?

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    (shakes head)

    The reason I wrote "<grin>" was to indicate an attempt at a humorous statement. So please re-read my first statement with that in mind.

    And I reiterate my point: you indicated they wouldn't listen, that they were set in their own minds. There is no discussing with such, no arguing, no persuading.

    "Avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

    There's no need to "come down" on anyone; God will take care of that Himself.
     
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    Actually there is very little similarity to the Rheims, which reads: Diversely, and many vvaies in times past God speaking to the fathers in the prophets.

    The KJV reading comes directly from the Bishops' Bible, which it is a revision of.

    The Bishops' Bible reads: God which in time past, at sundrie tymes, and in diuers maners, spake vnto the fathers in the prophetes.

    :)
     
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    Oh, it's apparent that you do treat others this way. It's an unbiblical way for you to treat the lost, and is in no way how Scripture teaches us to treat those who oppose us.
     
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  14. evangelist6589

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    Wrong. Read the book The Way of the Master and look at all the scriptures that the author uses and defenses from old authors. Law to the proud and grace for the humble is the Biblical method of evangelism.

    Look at the example of Jesus who was law to the proud and grace for the humble. How often was Jesus out saying that God loved them when he was witnessing?
     
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    Law to the proud and grace for the humble.

    http://www.wayofthemaster.com/watchepisodes.shtml
     
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    I don't care what TWOTM says, I care about what the Scriptures say.

    Your mishandling of the lost (NOT self-righteous Pharisees) will be handled at the judgment. There is no SCRIPTURAL support for the way you handle the LOST. The fact is, you don't know who are the lost, who are not His sheep, who are and who are not the elect.

    Jesus dealt with the self-righteous who thought they were right with God. Completely different audience than those you are rebuking 'with law'. You're a loose cannon, completely out of control.
     
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    Who did you run into and talk with? Andy Stanley????

    Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
     
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    The evil one believes in an infallible Bible and it does him no good.

    In a fundamental way, you are not sent by Christ to the world to have them believe in an infallible Bible. You are there to proclaim the Kingdom and demonstrate the love and power of Jesus.

    If there is a serious question about the scriptures where you can be helpful, by all means provide assistance. But most discussions of the Bible in witnessing encounters are a way to shift the conversation away from the issue at hand. Just as the woman at the well (John 4) tried to shift the conversation to the proper place of worship.

    If you haven't already, you may need to think your witnessing method.

    Of course you can't. You are not responsible for reaching them. You are a witness. Just make sure you are witnessing Jesus to them, not an argument for an infallible Bible or a Way of the Master presentation.

    The Spirit will do His work if we are faithful... and often when we are not.
     
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    This might offer some explanation on how that works:


    At any rate, explanations or not, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
     
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    Do you even read posts before you reply? Its not like the book Way of the Master does not use scripture. In fact it uses it on almost every page. The fact that you won't even bother to give it a chance speaks volumes on your mindset. Your mind is already made up. Good day sir!!
     

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