Biblical Marriage

Dear Betty, we do not tell anyone that they live in sin, but if they live together without the benefit of marriage, the Bible is the one which condemns them.

And for your information, as well as for others, there is no covenant marriage - it is a figment of somebody's immagination, and a very bad Bible exegesis. Sorry, but that is the bottom line.

 

This ought to be good ... Go ahead, humor us with this one ...

 

Well I can't wait to see where the Bible specifies that posting on the BB is evil.
Of course your still postting here aren't you.
It has nothing to do with a difference of opinion, it's following scripture and God or not, not obeying and calling it godly is wrong. It has nothing to dow ith my opinion, but Gods and He gives that in scripture when He tells us to obey our goverments laws. O ahve not seen anyone dispute that the bible says that yet, therefore, we must follow scripture, not our own base instincts for living together for the sake of sex, a real sommitment would be a legally binding one.

Betty, as has already been stated, to haev a legal covenant marriage you must first have a legal marriage, with a marriage license. A covenant marriage is not instead of, but in addition to a legal marriage license.
Common law marriages can exsist in these states only, if you cross into a stat with no such law, you are not married. What do you look like then, living together in a state with no common law marriage.

Most churches will not allow members who are not legally married and yet living together.
fact is that in bible times and before, people wanting to marry had to sign a legal oath(document), this was a legal paper, not a religeous one. A govermental obedience. Even Jesus obeyed laws,a dn He never said we didn't haev to if we didn't want to.

 

This ought to be good ... Go ahead, humor us with this one ... </font>[/QUOTE]Must be in the book of Hezekiah because I sure can't find it!

Diane

 

You are absolutely correct Barnabas. I just don't like to say that a person is living in sin if I don't know all the facts. I agree that the Bible determines what is sin and condemns a person.

Thank you for pointing that out.

I am "thankful" that my husband and I have all those necessary documents to say that our marriage is legal in the eyes of the State and the eyes of God. It is very special to follow the Bible's teachings in marriage.

 

(Your post is full of typos.. calm down and take a deep breath)

You have missed the point. The Bible speaks of busybodies, the multiplicity of words as not lacking in sin; as being foolish, etc. If you and others are so worried about Christian "witness" and abstaining from all appearance of evil, keep this in mind.

You seem to be hung up on or stumble over the sex thing. Who ever said marriage is defined by sex? And why would anyone "live together for the sake of sex?"

Scripture?

 

Grace1998 said:

Respectfully, I'd like to remind you that we have members who have had numerous strokes. Some have hands crippled with arthritis and other horrible conditions. We have members who have old computers and terrible keyboards. I'm legally blind in one eye (20 /400 WITH glasses) and you cannot enlarge the print in the little 'reply' box so I cannot see what I've typed until it's posted. Typos are not always out of haste or anger but can be caused by other things too.

This was meant in kindness because I do not for one moment think you would mean to hurt someone's feelings or cause embarassment.

Diane

 

As I stood over my son's grave early this evening, it was laid upon my heart that to contend with one another is not what is useful in my life right now. Please forgive my contentious spirit these past few days. If I have offended or caused any to stumble, I apologize.

Dealing with my son's death has been difficult. I rejoice in his going home, but I long for his presence and it has left a void in my life.

While I stood at the grave, I looked toward the wooded area and there were four deer looking at me. It came to my mind that "As the deer panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God." I need that in my life right now and not debate.

For the last three months, I have wept every single day. I long for fellowship and that is why I joined the board. I am sorry that I got off track and allowed for contention.

It took much longer to write this than to read it.

Please allow me the grace to bow out of this conversation and to fix my mind on the things of Heaven and things eternal.

God bless all of you as you seek His will.

 

I am very sorry, Diane, and would not want to hurt anyone by my ignorance. Thank you for your kind reminder.

 

Grace1998, I am so sorry for your loss! I did not realize you had lost a son. I cannot imagine what you're going through. I'll be praying for you and your family.

Diane

 

Grace1998, I feel your pain. I know how difficult it is to lose child. There is a great empty spot that will never be filled, but each day it gets easier as one relies on our Lord for comfort. Praying for you.

 

This and a lack of commitment is the only reason people live together. Do you think it is ok for people to live together and not be married?

Historical fact, study and see for yourself, a lack of knowledge of the time periods covered in the bible can lead to confusion as to what is meant sometimes. If you'll see my previous post I covered this very thing.
As I said earlier, this came from a Jewish man who has studied ancient Hebrew history becasue it is his history and heritage.

Typos?
There are three of us who use this computer and a lot of my letters are worn off, just thought I'd say that, a few months ago I got accused of anger only becasue of they typos.

I was sorry to hear about your son. I can not imagine how awful something like that must be.

 

A Jewish man who has studied ancient Hebrew history......Tell us who he is and what are his credentials so that we may or may not decide if he is truly qualified.

 

Bart quoted these issues. You all are approaching this subject from the position of what you believe the Lord says (and that is right by the way), yet you are leaving something out of the equation. You must deal with what the State says marriage is. You must deal with that issue if you are going to go to the State for their license. No one has dealt with the points made in the above quoted post.

 

Actually, Baruch, your late entry has caused you to miss much. Those "points" were dealt with many times. The fact that the Scripture does not explicitly give jurisdiction to the state over marriage has been soundly refuted by similar analogies of building codes for churches and driving regulations on teh way to church The fact that Scripture does not give the state such jurisdiction does not mean that the church does not have to listen.

God does not require less than the state in marriage. Fulfilling state regulations where they exist and do not contradict biblical commands is the only way to be obedient to God.

 

Pastor Larry,
"Dealing" with the issues that I have stated here by glossing over them or looking at them with rose colored glasses is not dealing with them. Driving my vehicle and the ordinances that control that is a long way from the Union that God has sanctified between my wife and I. They are absolutely two different areas of living.
Quote: "Fulfilling state regulations where they exist and do not contradict biblical commands is the only way to be obedient to God." The state says that public policy has an intrest in YOUR marriage. Public policy is reprobate and it is getting worse. The state says it is a PARTY to your marriage. That is not in the Bible. You cannot find that in the Bible and Quoting Rom 13 has nothing to do with it. The state becomes the prevailing third party to the contract. Do you have any idea what that means? Do you care? This is the LAW. Maybe you can live with it but I can't and I won't.

Thanks -----Bart "the dueling society was a polite society".

 

How does a state have an interest in one's marriage?

How has a state interferred with one's marriage?

This is confusing to me.

 

God Bless you Grace and let me add that I am truly sorry for your loss. I think that some useful information has been brought out in this thread but sadly some posts have been negative. I feel like anyone who seeks information on this subject can surely find plenty on these 11 pages so I will now let this post by Grace be our last word on this subject. I feel that in this time of grief we can all gain a sober reminder of what is important. God Bless you all and thanks for the input.
Murph