"Biblical" Segregation

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  1. Pastor_Bob

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    I recently returned from a meeting in Georgia. One of the speakers, whom I had never met before, had a book table. On his table was a book that he had written entitled Biblical Segregation.

    The premise of his book was to declare that integration (the "mixing of blacks and whites") is absolutely necessary "for the attendant rise of antichrist." He further says that God is a racial separatist, based primarily upon the curse of Ham.

    I am curious whether this is common idealology in the south or anywhere else, and what your thoughts on the matter are.

    For the record, I strongly disagree with the author.
     
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    I would say that this is not common theology... except for the Klan.
    Most people are wising up.
     
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    When I lived in Texas and taught a Sunday School class I remember hearing one of the men saying that sin entered the south when the whites married the blacks.
     
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    The first statement about the antichrist, I haven't heard, but the second one that God is a segregationist because of the curse of Ham, I have heard, in my childhood. It's only an excuse for bigotry! Careful study of the Word shows this idea to be false.

    Didn't know anyone still held that idea anymore.
     
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    If anyone pays attention to Genesis 10 and tracks the different nations, it will become obvious that dark skin is found in all three lines descending from Noah, not just Ham's.
     
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    Anyone using the "curse of ham" stuff to justify their bigotry will pay a high price to God for it.

    pastor Bob, sorry you had to put up with such a moron.
     
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    I found this definition in the Wikipedia: "A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own."

    :smilewinkgrin:

    Pastor Bob, as one who has moved around quite a bit in the Deep South, I can tell you that "curse of Ham" theology is almost never found among preachers or teachers, but it is still remembered and accepted by plenty of old folks. The only time I've seen it in print in the past thirty years was among those influenced by Peter Ruckman.

    That said, I cannot comment on the writer's book, as I haven't seen it.
     
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    It's also used by a very few of the people who argue that "drums are of the devil." They play the race card to show the "african roots" of CCM and all modern music.

    Not trying to redirect, just showing another example of this racist bile.

    One of my favorite professors years ago (who stood against racism in his church and was completely ostracized for it) said,

    "I think racism borders on blasphemy. The worst thing you can do to an artist is belittle his masterpiece. How dare anyone say to God, 'Your masterpiece is an inferior work?' "
     
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    I was born and raised in Michigan and wasn't taught such bigotry. For anyone who claims to be a Christian to talk that way is reprehensible. To the best of my knowledge the curse was on Cain and not his future descendents. My dad had the weirdest belief I ever heard, and my apologies to any back people here since I don't believe this. He said that when Cain went to the land of Nod that he mated with an ape, and that's where the black man came from. I'm not sure that would even be genetically possible. So what was the "mark" God put on Cain? I don't think anyone knows, although many have opinions.
     
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    So does this mean that Christians ( and others ) who believe that lifestyles such as homosexuality, shacking up, ect are sinful would be then considered bigots?

    Salty
     
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    This is where I think the genius is of my professor's quote.

    If you view a person in any way as inferior, due to the God-designed nature of that person, (i.e., physical defects, skin color, gender, etc.,) then you're a bigot...because you're belittling the way God designed them.

    When it comes to sexual choices and the like...we still have a responsibility to love them and not belittle them, but we can call the sin a sin...because God didn't design them to be homosexual. That wasn't His plan. Their race was.
     
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    I was raised in the Deep South ---- Baton Rouge, LA --- I was not taught racial segregation from my parents, from my school district nor from my church.

    The idea of the racial curse of Ham is still taught by the mormon cult
     
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    Jon-Marc,

    just to clarify, their argument about the curse of Ham is because God cursed Ham for looking on his father Noah, when Noah was naked. Plus, Ham is not recorded as having been "marked" at all....he was merely cursed to have to serve his brothers in the future.
    The mark of Cain was different, as you pointed out, but because it was a mark of protection. Cain's mark was not a curse, it was a protective mark that signified he was not to be harmed by anyone else who found him. Anyone using this mark as an argument for a curse on all of Cain's descendants is wrong from the start.


    The big problem I see is not the one or two wackos that are going to espouse this type of "Biblical segregation", but it is those amongst us who tolerate the wackos. Why was this man's book allowed at a church book table? I hope the pastor just didnt realize this book would be displayed, perhaps he didn't realize the man's theology. But we have to stand up for truth within our churches, even from visiting preachers!

    Don't let it go by without saying something......
     
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    That's probably the most profoundly wise response to a thread that I have read in a long time.

    One must assume that the people in charge were not aware of his book.....but they should have been.
     
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    We are not to tolerate or be intolerant of people. We are to love them. That does not mean that we do speak the truth. We must use wisdom when we speak truth though.
     
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    The pastor was unaware of the book. I made him aware and he had the individual remove the book from his table. This pastor simply hosted a conference, in essence, just allowing them to use his building. Still, he is accountable. Many of his folks were there Wednesday evening. It is implied that the pastor endorses every book made available in the church.
     
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    Was the book's author Dr. M.H. Tabb from Fort Walton Beach, FL?

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    Bless you...

    This issue is not about tolerance or intolerance. Compassion and love are above toleration which is simply an excuse to view people as the enemy. Our enemies are principlaities and powers... NOT PEOPLE!!!
     
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    I know a few from the Fundamental ranks who do believe such.

    I know several pastors from the fundamental ranks that preach such nonsense. God forbid anyone listens!
     
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    None of you has read the book, but you think you know what the author affirms and denies (by telepathy, perhaps?) and you consider yourselves to be at liberty to deride the book and call the author vicious names. Do I understand you correctly?
     

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