Bill to Expand Hate Crimes Law to Attacks on Gays

No more an infringement than the people who picket funerals with signs like "Matthew Shepard Burns In Hell."

 

The problem with this law is it governs the thoughts of people. What a proverbial slippery slope we are intent on traveling on. But more importantly this is a toll to bring about acceptance to such a perverted and ungodly life style. It has very little acceptance even among non-Christians and so the minority are trying to rule through tyranny.

 

... because the government is supposed to do what the Christians tell it to.

 

Actually Christians should be concerned for the things of God even in governemnt and should not make false attempts to lead dual lives.

 

I would argue with that.
While I don't think that picketing a funeral is a great thing to do, dead sodomites who die in a state of unbelief are in fact in hell.

This bill is framing mischief by a law and is wicked!

 

OK, you need to just stop talking, because you are obviously so stupid you cannot spare the oxygen.

Argue away, but you are wrong. And stupid. Probably ugly, too.

 

You cannot govern thoughts. But you can make laws governing behavior. Why anyone would have issues with outlawing hateful actions is beyond me.

 

Some people believe that this nation should remain a Republic and the bill of rights should matter.

 

Of which, I am one. However outlawing behavior is the only thing you can regulate. As I pointed out, you cannot stop peoples thoughts. But you can make hateful actions illegal. Or maybe you don't care about the Constitutional rights of those you would victimize?

 

Actions can be governed without applying a hate element to it which is in itself thought. there is not but one reason to apply hate to a crime except to make crimes against homosexuals on a higher level.

 

... and crimes agains African-Americans, and crimes against Hispanic Americans, and against Asian Americans and Native Americans and Middle Eastern and so on...

And the point is that these crimes aren't carried out because someone wants to rob another person, or beat another person, or rape or kill another person just because another person is present. The point is that these crimes are carried out specifically because the victim is "different."

Honestly, it's a very simple concept.

 

But how does that make the crime any different? Beating someone is beating someone, regardless of reason. It is wrong. It doesn't really matter why.

 

A matter of weight, honestly.

Beating is always wrong, yes. You cannot address every antecedent which leads to a beating.

Yet we can prosecute domestic violence and child abuse as domestic violence and child abuse even though each of these is, at its most basic, a beating.

Thus a beating carried out because another person is "different" carries a similar weight to domestic violence or child abuse, not because of the action, but because of the identity of the victim.

 

Is it true or untrue, as I have read from a couple of sources, that in some countries-- Netherlands, for one-- they have such "hate" legislation and it has been used to prosecute ministers who preach that homosexuality is evil as accessories to the crime in acts against those people?

 

I have heard this. I don't know how true it is.

One hopes that in America common sense would prevail beofre that point, yet seeing how common sense hasn't been a ready resource very often in our history, nothing much would surprise me.

 

And should the punishment for the murder of a sodomite be heavier and more severe than the punishment for the murder of a non-sodomite ? Ridiculous law smacking of politics from those who wish to ingratiate themselves to the noisy crowd of sodomites, lesbians, crossdressers, transvestites, and their fellow travelers.

 

Isn't "hate crime" redundant? Is there such a thing as a crime committed out of love?