Billy Sunday rant a "sermon"

Even some contemporary ones like RW.

 

Amen!:thumbs:

 

I do not think he preached the Truth . He steered clear of a good deal of it .

Most pastors won't preach on touchy subjects ? Billy Sunday was not a pastor .

Billy Sunday was a disgraceful "preacher" . America needs to steer clear of Billy Sunday types .

 

I am still undecided....

I can see where he condemned the sin, and told the people to quit sinning...
But where does he say salvation is throught Christ alone...

He said in one place if a person was voting for a saloon (and I am supposing this was the time of the amendment for prohibition) that they were going to Hell...

THAT is not GOSPEL... that is works.
I would love to see sermons where he preached Christ, and Christ crucified, and salvation through faith alone.

 

Billy Sunday was a godly preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

Show me a sermon where he preaches Jesus and Him crucified, and salvation by Grace alone...

All I have seen is based on works, and not drinking alcohol.

Can't be both ways...

Did he preach Grace or Works?

 

:thumbs: :saint:

 

http://www.biblebelievers.com/billy_sunday/sun4.html


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If it weren't for the atoning blood you might as well rip the roofs off the churches and burn them down. They aren't worth anything. But as long as the blood is on the mercy seat (Lev. 16:14), the sinner can return, and by no other way. There is nothing else. It stands for the redemption. You are not redeemed by silver or gold, but by the blood of Jesus Christ. Though a man says to read good books, do good deeds, live a good life and you'll be saved, you'll be damned. That's what you will. All the books in the world won't keep you out of hell without the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. It's Jesus Christ or nothing for every sinner on God's earth.[/FONT]

 

He did nOt state, that salvation is by works Tim. Look at what he was sayin.

If a person takes a stand for what is considered a known sin (like homosexuality or aborition or incest, or ...) and claims to be a believer what is your opinion brother?

Scripture and Christ himself states we will know them by their fruits, and by their love one for another, and by keeping his commandments.

When a believer walk contrary to the things of God there is only one of two possiblities - Backsliden (which is what his sermon was about) or Not Saved at all.

I would encourage you to read his other sermons at the link I provided.

 

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Some people think that they can't be converted unless they go down on their knees in the straw at a camp-meeting, unless they pray all hours of the night, and all nights of the week, while some old brother storms heaven in prayer. Some think a man must lose sleep, must come down the aisle with a haggard look, and he must froth at the mouth and dance and shout. Some get it that way, and they don't think that the work I do is genuine unless conversions are made in the same way that they have got religion.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I want you to see what God put in black and white; that there can be a sound, thorough conversion in an instant; that man can be converted as quietly as the coming of day and never backslide. I do not find fault with the way other people get religion. What I want and preach is the fact that a man can be converted without any fuss.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If a man wants to shout and clap his hands in joy over his wife's conversion, or if a wife wants to cry when her husband is converted, I am not going to turn the hose on them, or put them in a strait-jacket. When a man turns to God truly in conversion, I don't care what form his conversion takes. I wasn't converted that way, but I do not rush around and say, with gall and bitterness, that you are not saved because you did not get religion the way I did. If we all got religion in the same way, the devil might go to sleep with a regular Rip Van Winkle snooze and still be on the job.[/FONT]


http://www.biblebelievers.com/billy_sunday/sun6.html​

 

how about this one too :
http://www.biblebelievers.com/billy_sunday/sun6.html

or here:

 

This one is pretty good to:

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The obstacle here is clearly the stand against alcohol. Because Billy preached against alcohol (as any man of God who stands behind the sacred pulpit should), they cannot see past that to his pointing people to Christ.

It was not condemning alcohol that won thousands to the Lord, but the instruction and correction that followed that rebuke that pointed them to Christ.

 

Amen Bro Scribe!:thumbs:

Castigating a preacher/evangelist because he preaches hard against a topic with which someone does not agree doesn't change the truth. Ad hominim attacks show immaturity...reminds me of the verse in Galatians where Paul was rebuking the Galatians about listening to the false teachers:

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

Why the attack on Billy Sunday? Good grief, the man has been dead for 73 years! Was he a flawed person in some ways? Yes, he was. Was he often a showman? Yes, he was. However, he was arguably the leading salt and light for Jesus in his generation. He was light because he preached the gospel and people responded by receiving Christ. He was salt who retarded the evil influence of alcohol in his day. His preaching was a prime contributor to the 19th amendment which outlawed alcohol in the US. He was the leading evangelist of his time and followed a line of evangelists which included DL Moody and later gave rise to Billy Graham. Since God is sovereign, you have to ask yourself; or perhaps you should ask God why he raised up Billy Sunday as one of his chief spokesmen in that generation. Billy Sunday may have been a flawed man ( and who among us is not), but God's plan is not flawed.

 

One word... smokescreen.

 

Thanks for all the links guys, they help.
One thing we have to keep in mind is that he was preaching in a different era... God called him to that era, the same as God has called us to this Era...

And I forgot that at the beginning of this thread... scratch everything i have said before in this thread.

And Drunkenness was the Abortion and Homosexual issue back then.
Who knows, 100 yrs from now, people may be condemning us for preaching against those two issues and ignoring others.

So I do understand where he was coming from now.
But I have to ask everyone this...
Why do you think he preached so much against Alcohol?

Do you think it was because of where he came from, he knew the dangers first hand?

And Isn't it dangerous to get on one subject and not get off of it?
It is my understanding that he was an evangelist, and even with evangelists today, they will have their sugarstick sermon. (I know I have one I LOVE to preach) so, I even understand why he would sound the same everywhere he went.

Of course we are to preach against sin... ALL sin... not just one sin.

It was just as bad a sin for him to neglect his family for preaching, as it was for the drunk to neglect his family in the bar...

Both are sins.

I think we can learn from him, even still..
And yes he wasn't perfect... but we can learn even from his imperfections.

Don't neglect your family.
Don't ride a hobby horse.

BTW, thanks for the video, in case I haven't said that yet, That was awesome.

 

Yes Rippon I am sure that your idea of good preaching and mine may be very different. And I am not saying that you are wrong. If a more logical argument touches your soul and moves you then that is great. There are many sermons that are not designed to reach the lost at all but to glorify God and edify the saints. But here we are talking specifically about evangelistic sermons preached to reach the lost.

You say your not a sports fan. OK, but what are you passionate about? What do you get excited about? What quickens your pulse? What stirs you emotions and brings tears to your eye? What makes you angry? What makes you scared? Good preaching should touch us on an emotional level. I am not saying irrational preaching or preaching without substance. Certainly there are preachers who have nothing but emotion, but what I am talking about is the proper mix of the two, presenting the truths of God in a way that reaches people on an emotional level. That way you can speak to their hearts as well as their minds.

No you don't have to do cartwheels and pushups to get crowds to listen to you. But what if it did? What if, by doing a pushup you could get the opportunity to present to gospel to one lost soul that would not listen to you any other way? Wouldn't you do it? Yes I know God draws the lost to him. But what if God's way of drawing them involves me doing cartwheels? Are you going to say God can't work that way.

I am not condemning your methods Rippon, just saying that you should not be condemning others just because they are not just like you. Biblical preaching can take on a lot of different forms. Just look at the Bible. How about Isaiah preaching Naked for 3 years (Is 20) or Hosea being called to marry a prostitute, or Ezekiel being struck dumb? Or how about my personal favorite, why is the concubine in Jud 19 choped into pieces. That seems like pretty extreem preaching to me.

 

Isaiah 20
1In the year that Tartan came unto Ashdod, (when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him,) and fought against Ashdod, and took it;
2At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.
3And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;
4So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
5And they shall be afraid and ashamed of Ethiopia their expectation, and of Egypt their glory.
6And the inhabitant of this isle shall say in that day, Behold, such is our expectation, whither we flee for help to be delivered from the king of Assyria: and how shall we escape?

Well I sure hope that God does not call me to this type of ministry.