Brzezinski Speaks His Mind.

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    Former National Security Advisor and founding member of the Trilateral Commission Zbigniew Brzezinski tacitly warned a Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week that an attack on Iran could be launched following a staged provocation in Iraq or a false flag terror attack within the U.S.

    Brzezinski alluded to the potential for the Bush administration to manufacture a false flag Gulf of Tonkin type incident in describing a "plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran," which would revolve around "some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the US blamed on Iran, culminating in a ‘defensive' US military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.”


    Brzezinski was careful to highlight the word "defensive" as if to discount its credibility, suggesting that the Bush White House itself would be behind the attack or provocation and subsequently use it as a pretext for war.


    "That a man such as Brzezinski, with decades of experience in the top echelons of the US foreign policy establishment, a man who has the closest links to the military and to intelligence agencies, should issue such a warning at an open hearing of the US Senate has immense and grave significance".

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    SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITEE TESTIMONY -- ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI

    February 1, 2007


    Mr. Chairman:


    Your hearings come at a critical juncture in the U.S. war of choice in Iraq, and I commend you and Senator Lugar for scheduling them.

    It is time for the White House to come to terms with two central realities:


    1. The war in Iraq is a historic, strategic, and moral calamity. Undertaken under false assumptions, it is undermining America's global legitimacy. Its collateral civilian casualties as well as some abuses are tarnishing America's moral credentials. Driven by Manichean impulses and imperial hubris, it is intensifying regional instability.


    2. Only a political strategy that is historically relevant rather than reminiscent of colonial tutelage can provide the needed framework for a tolerable resolution of both the war in Iraq and the intensifying regional tensions.



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    If you want to have an empire, you have to make some moral compromises.
     
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    Bump to top.
     
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    I don't think anyone's going to touch this one, pancho.
     
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    Probably not G. I was kind of looking foward to PL enlightening us all with his omnipotent intellect on this one though. :laugh:
     
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    George Bush has done a terrible job of governing this country. The issues are numerous and obvious. Every passing day brings regret that a vote was cast for this man not once, but twice.

    Having said that, I do not believe even George Bush would try a stunt like that. The facade of going into Iraq was so badly handled, the public and the Congress are so distrustful, no, he is not going to try that. Besides that, our army and marines are very short handed right now. About all we could do is naval and air bombardments. As little faith as I have left in the man, George Bush has more common sense than this.
     
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    'tis a curious thing. There is a former National Security Advisor admitting that the United States has, in the past, engaged in false flag operations (Tonkin) and he gives support to the idea that this mentality has continued in the more recent Downing Street Memos and an expectation of a future false flag in order to blame Iran for whatever. I would be expecting the scoffers to be labeling him a conspiracy nut soon.
     
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    I think Paul Joseph Watson added the Tonkin angle. Brzezinski didn't mention it in his testimony. He did intimate that any act of terror could be blamed on Iran.
     
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    This was a guy in the Carter cabinet. Enough said, since they did such a good job with Iran. :BangHead:
     
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    This is called setting the stage.

    Any attack or provocation by Iranians will now automatically be labeled as a false flag operation.

    At least by some.

    The Iranians also know this. How convenient for them!:rolleyes:
     
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    :applause: :applause: :applause:

    Exactly. It is ironic that a Democrat would compare what another Democrat did--Lyndon Baines Johnson--with something that a Republican might do. Carter and his wing of the Democrats should study another historic event in the annals of war--Munich and how England surrendered a free nation to the nazis in a process called appeasement. Ziggy must be very elderly now so he should know about Munich.
     
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    Ah, so the Iranians deliberately placed false evidence, to fool us into thinking some one placed false evidence...

    Not satisfied with just one noia, um?
     
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    Of course, the hostage crisis occured precisely because Carter refused to appease the Iranians. Reagan's policy was appeasement, remember? "Give them the weapons they want, and they might release hostages" was the thinking in the Reagan WH.

    They took the weapons and laughed at him, calling his explanation for the arms shipments, "simple lies." Later the weapons he (might have, said he couldn't remember) approved sending to them, were used on Americans in the Persian Gulf.

    Appeasement never works.
     
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    Galatian, I always think that you are giving us the straight Vatican line whenever you post and that you really believe that only you Catholics have the truth and only you Catholics are going to Heaven.

    If you will recall, it was Carter and Ziggy who wanted the Shah deposed and that is what touched off the crisis and installed the Islamic government. Your posts are nonsensical.
     
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    The hostages were released the last day of Carter's presidency. You are right. Appeasment never works, but it was Carter doing the wishy washy thing. Reagan would have clobbered them if they had not released the hostages.
     
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    You mean like he "clobbered" those responsible for the killing of 241 Marines in Lebanon while he was president?
     
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    According to his resume Brzezinski, holding a 1953 Ph.D. from Harvard, lists the following achievements:
    Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies
    Professor of American Foreign Policy, Johns Hopkins University
    National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter (1977-81)
    Trustee and founder of the Trilateral Commission
    International advisor of several major US/Global corporations
    Associate of Henry Kissinger
    Under Ronald Reagan - member of NSC-Defense Department Commission on Integrated Long-Term Strategy
    Under Ronald Reagan - member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
    Past member, Board of Directors, The Council on Foreign Relations
    1988 - Co-chairman of the Bush National Security Advisory Task Force.
    Brzezinski is also a past attendee and presenter at several conferences of the Bilderberger group - a non-partisan affiliation of the wealthiest and most powerful families and corporations on the planet. SOURCE


    Looks like he's been part of the policy making process for both republicans and democrats.

    I think he's part of the old school globalists and they have figured out that they've been neo-conned too. Both parties were co-opted by the Trilaterals and CFR long ago. Debating the difference between republican and democrat policies makes no sense if one considers that both have adopted the globalist's policies and have been pushing them on us from Carter to Cheney.
     
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    Or it could go back further when we helped depose the democratically elected leader in favor of an autocrat, the Shah's daddy. He & his son ruled by oppression (but they liked us a whole lot).
     
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    At any rate, Daisy, Ziggy is a Democrat no matter that he is a top advisor and he should hardly lecture anyone about not making the mistake that Johnson did in Viet Nam. He takes the Democrat line a la Carter when it comes to policy. Iran must be dealt with and the Sunni Arab states will demand it and cooperate with us or else states such as Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey will seek and obtain nuclear weapons. The situation is more serious than Ziggy is telling us.
     
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    Like it or not, I believe that many nations worldwide will ultimately seek nuclear weapons. This could even include nations like Japan. I don't know how the U.S. can stop them. I think we might need to learn how to negotiant without so much saber rattling if we are going to see any progress in this area.
     

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