Brzezinski Speaks His Mind.

If you want to have an empire, you have to make some moral compromises.

 

I don't think anyone's going to touch this one, pancho.

 

George Bush has done a terrible job of governing this country. The issues are numerous and obvious. Every passing day brings regret that a vote was cast for this man not once, but twice.

Having said that, I do not believe even George Bush would try a stunt like that. The facade of going into Iraq was so badly handled, the public and the Congress are so distrustful, no, he is not going to try that. Besides that, our army and marines are very short handed right now. About all we could do is naval and air bombardments. As little faith as I have left in the man, George Bush has more common sense than this.

 

'tis a curious thing. There is a former National Security Advisor admitting that the United States has, in the past, engaged in false flag operations (Tonkin) and he gives support to the idea that this mentality has continued in the more recent Downing Street Memos and an expectation of a future false flag in order to blame Iran for whatever. I would be expecting the scoffers to be labeling him a conspiracy nut soon.

 

I think Paul Joseph Watson added the Tonkin angle. Brzezinski didn't mention it in his testimony. He did intimate that any act of terror could be blamed on Iran.

 

This was a guy in the Carter cabinet. Enough said, since they did such a good job with Iran. :BangHead:

 

This is called setting the stage.

Any attack or provocation by Iranians will now automatically be labeled as a false flag operation.

At least by some.

The Iranians also know this. How convenient for them!

 

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Exactly. It is ironic that a Democrat would compare what another Democrat did--Lyndon Baines Johnson--with something that a Republican might do. Carter and his wing of the Democrats should study another historic event in the annals of war--Munich and how England surrendered a free nation to the nazis in a process called appeasement. Ziggy must be very elderly now so he should know about Munich.

 

Ah, so the Iranians deliberately placed false evidence, to fool us into thinking some one placed false evidence...

Not satisfied with just one noia, um?

 

Of course, the hostage crisis occured precisely because Carter refused to appease the Iranians. Reagan's policy was appeasement, remember? "Give them the weapons they want, and they might release hostages" was the thinking in the Reagan WH.

They took the weapons and laughed at him, calling his explanation for the arms shipments, "simple lies." Later the weapons he (might have, said he couldn't remember) approved sending to them, were used on Americans in the Persian Gulf.

Appeasement never works.

 

Galatian, I always think that you are giving us the straight Vatican line whenever you post and that you really believe that only you Catholics have the truth and only you Catholics are going to Heaven.

If you will recall, it was Carter and Ziggy who wanted the Shah deposed and that is what touched off the crisis and installed the Islamic government. Your posts are nonsensical.

 

The hostages were released the last day of Carter's presidency. You are right. Appeasment never works, but it was Carter doing the wishy washy thing. Reagan would have clobbered them if they had not released the hostages.

 

You mean like he "clobbered" those responsible for the killing of 241 Marines in Lebanon while he was president?

 

Or it could go back further when we helped depose the democratically elected leader in favor of an autocrat, the Shah's daddy. He & his son ruled by oppression (but they liked us a whole lot).

 

At any rate, Daisy, Ziggy is a Democrat no matter that he is a top advisor and he should hardly lecture anyone about not making the mistake that Johnson did in Viet Nam. He takes the Democrat line a la Carter when it comes to policy. Iran must be dealt with and the Sunni Arab states will demand it and cooperate with us or else states such as Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey will seek and obtain nuclear weapons. The situation is more serious than Ziggy is telling us.

 

Like it or not, I believe that many nations worldwide will ultimately seek nuclear weapons. This could even include nations like Japan. I don't know how the U.S. can stop them. I think we might need to learn how to negotiant without so much saber rattling if we are going to see any progress in this area.