Bush Advisor Says President Has Legal Power to Torture Children

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  1. poncho

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    By Philip Watts

    01/08/06 "revcom.us" -- -- John Yoo publicly argued there is no law that could prevent the President from ordering the torture of a child of a suspect in custody – including by crushing that child’s testicles.

    This came out in response to a question in a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel.

    What is particularly chilling and revealing about this is that John Yoo was a key architect post-9/11 Bush Administration legal policy. As a deputy assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, John Yoo authored a number of legal memos arguing for unlimited presidential powers to order torture of captive suspects, and to declare war anytime, any where, and on anyone the President deemed a threat.

    It has now come out Yoo also had a hand in providing legal reasoning for the President to conduct unauthorized wiretaps of U.S. citizens. Georgetown Law Professor David Cole wrote, "Few lawyers have had more influence on President Bush’s legal policies in the 'war on terror’ than John Yoo."

    This part of the exchange during the debate with Doug Cassel, reveals the logic of Yoo’s theories, adopted by the Administration as bedrock principles, in the real world.

    Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?
    Yoo: No treaty.
    Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
    Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

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    poncho,

    Have you actually read anything by Yoo? Did you read the mentioned memo (I honestly haven't; I've got it saved but I haven't read it yet). The first question and answer obviously have to do with what treaties have to say about it. I could not link to the taped exchange so I don't know if it included the entire conversation.

    It's obvious the author doesn't know what he is talking about, Yoo doesn't say that the President can "declare war". Have been over this on another thread.

    Given the author's ignorance or whatever his problem, I would want to see the transcript of the entire conversation. It says more about the source or this website that they don't have the full exchange.
     
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    Oh Poncho. This is beneath you.
     
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    That's right Hillclimber, as it should be beneath and beyond any Christian or government. The fact that our "leaders" even debate such things should be a warning as to how depraved we have become.
     
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    poncho, from the tiny snippet of a conversation you provided, it sounds like the interviewer is the one who brought up the subject.
     
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    Okay so what's your point FTR? Is it wrong somehow for an interviewer to ask these questions, is it un patriotic, is he a Bush basher/hater because he asked these questions, is he giving aid and comfort to the enemy by asking these questions...what?
     
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    My point is simply that it seems, from the tiny bit of info provided, improper at best to assert that our leaders are "debating" such things when the subject was raised by the interviewer. There is no evidence, at least in what you have shown us, that our leaders are debating whether to torture children. Do you have any? No, I'm not saying they're not discussing such things, but I'm not going to jump to that conclusion just because you apparently have.

    Of course, it may be that he is a Bush hater or he might be unpatriotic but not because he asked those questions. In short, my point is what I stated: "from the tiny snippet of a conversation you provided, it sounds like the interviewer is the one who brought up the subject."
     
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    This is why I have a hard time debating these, what did you call them one time seperate issues or something like that?

    These issues aren't seperate, each one adds to the whole picture. And the whole picture tells me we have a group of people that believe America is their playtoy and can use it and us anyway they like.

    The one country on this planet that stands blocking the path to a one world tyrannical governmet is the USofA. We are systematically being reduced to a quivering mass of scared rabbits that will cower down and give this country over to a bunch of criminal minded global elite and I for one am sick of it!
     
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    poncho,

    WADR, you're having a hard time debating this because you have posted a thread accusing the administration of considering the torture of children and the only thing you've got is someone asking Yoo about such torture or policy, nothing else. And now you're changing the subject to something about "separate issues". Do you have any evidence that the Administration is considering torture of children or not. If the "substance" of your thread is a tiny snippet of a conversation, it sounds like there's not much to debate in the first place.
     
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    Please stop. You're giving idiots a bad name.
     
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    That isn't the only thing "I got" FTR and you know it. There is the Abu Ghraib thing, the Gitmo thing, and the many reports that human rights groups have written about them and other "facilities" like them around the world, the extraordinary rendition thing, the trying to do away with habeas corpus thing, the martial law for most any reason thing, the confiscation of weapons from law abiding citizens in NOLA thing, the NSA spying thing, the Patriot Act(s) thing, the all powerful president that is above the law thing, the selling America out to the "world organizations" thing, giving a pass to the creators of experimental vaccines things, you know, mandatory vaccines that the manufactureers can't be held accountable for if they kill everybody they jab with them thing, the AIPAC scandal, the Abramoff scandal, leaks leaks and more leaks, gagging of whistleblowers, "bipartisan" whitwash commisions, dual loyalty congressmen and senators, fearmongering, propaganda, Kelo, on and on and on.

    I'm supposed to be able to shut out all this corruption, greed, and outright deceit on the part of this government and it's corporate sponsors and their propagandists and enablers and be able to weed through all the muck and deranged behaviour of our "elected officials" to find some secret documents that prove it all to your satisfaction???

    You've got to be joking right?

    Iraq's Child Prisoners
     
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    Please stop. You're giving idiots a bad name. </font>[/QUOTE]And how would you know?
     
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    Thanks poncho. It turns out, then, your OP is all noise and no substance. Imagine that.
     
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    We do have evidence of our armed forces torturing prisioners, breaking the rules of the Geneva Convention. International Rights organizations are investigating these illegal acts.

    US Operated Secret Dark Prison in Kabul
    http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/12/19/afghan12319.htm

    (New York, December 19, 2005) – Accounts from detainees at Guantánamo reveal that the United States as recently as last year operated a secret prison in Afghanistan where detainees were subjected to torture and other mistreatment, Human Rights Watch said today.
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    Remember when we were the "good guys" and demanded adherence to human rights to remove trade sanctions? How much further down can this country go?
     
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    Thanks, SAN. I have great respect for Human Rights Watch, but it really has nothing to do with poncho's accusation of the Administration considering the torture of children.
     
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    Suggesting that the President has the power and that President Bush would condone torture are two different things. Making that leap is the result of a perverted mind.
     

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