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The cross-check found listings for 35,570 North Carolina voters whose first names, last names and dates of birth match those of voters who voted in other states. However, in those cases middle names and Social Security numbers were not matched.

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You didn't tell the whole story.

 

Neither did you.
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Elections Director Kim Strach told the oversight committee, "Could it be voter fraud? Sure, it could be voter fraud. Could it be an error on the part of a precinct person choosing the wrong person's name in the first place? It could be. We're looking at each of these individual cases."
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Also, 40-50 votes from supposedly dead people in a state of 10 million people--is that a huge problem?

 

I didn't tell any of it. I posted the link, expecting people to read it.

It's a pretty good unbiased article, but you chose to leave out some pertinent information.

Why? Because there's plenty of smoke there for a fire.

300 in 20 years? :laugh:

 

"Where there's smoke, there's fire." "There's a smell of voter fraud."

You would not make a very good witness in a court case.

Here's what happened in North Carolina.

* 35,000+ people in NC had had the same name and same birthday as 35,000+ voters in another of the 49 states. That is absolutely a very likely event.

* 765 people had the same name, same birthday and same last four digits of their SSN# as voters in another of the 49 states. This is a bit less likely as the first scenario, but within the realm of probability. Now throw in clerical errors and you can decrease the number to a less than 765 people.

In a case on South Carolina, it was alleged that 900 dead people had voted in 2010. The SC attorney general looked into 200 of these 900 cases and half of them were the result of clerical error. Others were people with the same name as one of their deceased parents. http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2013-07-06/no-widespread-voter-fraud-found-sc-elections

Similar cases came up in Ohio http://www.wksu.org/news/story/38295 Iowa http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2013/12/16/voterfraud/4037057/ and Florida http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-phantom-voter-fraud-in-florida/2140444

In any event, please explain to me how a photo ID would have stopped any of these 765 people in North Carolina from voting?

 

Nothing like denial.

First there's 300 cases in 20 years. Faced with the fact that there are hundreds just in one state in the last election, you quibble that , well, that's not so many.

Fact is no matter how many thousands of cases turn up, it won't be enough to satisfy you.

Yep. Nothing like denial.

 

Ongoing cases:

5/9/14: Three Houston County Women Accused of Felony Voter Fraud
Houston County Sheriff’s Office arrested three women on charges of voter fraud after the narrowly decided election. Police conducted a thorough investigation in which they discovered that the three women created and submitted false ballots in August 2013. Three Houston County Women Accused of Felony Voter Fraud , WTVY News, May 9, 2014.

4/23/14: Two more indicted for vote fraud in Hamilton County
A poll worker in Hamilton County, OH is the eighth person to be indicted on charges of illegal voting in 2013. Authorities say that Ellen Elizabeth Duncan submitted an absentee ballot and also appeared at the polls on Election Day. Two More Indicted for Vote Fraud in Hamilton County , WVXU News, April 23, 2014.

5/8/14: Arraignment Postponed for Paterson Councilman, Wife in Election-Fraud Indictment
New Jersey authorities arrested mayoral candidate Rigo Rodriguez and his wife on charges that they submitted ballots as votes for people who did not vote in 2010. Prosecutors also stated that Rodriguez instructed campaign workers to lie to authorities investigating the allegations. Arraignment Postponed for Paterson Councilman, Wife in Election-Fraud Indictment , Examiner, February 17, 2014.

5/13/14: Wild Acres Man Charged with Voter Fraud in Board Election
Pennsylvania police have charged a man with ballot tampering in Pike County. Myron Cowher allegedly stole 70 ballots and planned to use different colored ink pens so the ballots did not all look the same. Wild Acres Man Charged with Voter Fraud in Board Election , The News Eagle, May 13, 2014.

 

Alcott, I enjoy your wit!

 

All that is in place in Indiana and I imagine that Minnesota is richer than Indiana and has all that in place.

Personally, I think there is a lot of fraud among the rich who have many homes. The penalty for fraud is non-existent. Even in Indianapolis, it is impossible to have a clean election because the GOP cannot find enough volunteers to go into the Democrat precincts to monitor them for honesty. American big cities are all going the way of Detroit.

 

These were absentee ballots. I wonder how many false ballots they submitted? Anyway, photo ID would not have stopped this. And, three women. Three.

One woman voted twice--once by absentee ballot and once by voting in person at the polls. She was a poll worker and had listed next to her name on the voter rolls, "absentee". Then she went ahead and voted at the poll place that she was monitoring. Photo ID would not have stopped this from happening.

These were mail-in absentee ballots. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Again, these were absentee ballots. These absentee ballots were never cast, so there was no actual voting fraud. Photo ID would not have stopped this from happening.

You have found eight people that were tampering with the voting system on a small scale in local elections. Photo ID would not have prevented these people from succeeding, but they were caught with methods already in place.

What else ya got? Anything besides a gut feeling?

You never did answer how photo ID would have stopped the 765 votes by same-named people across many different states. Care to answer that now?

 

5/1/14: Alabama Supreme Court to Look at Voter Fraud Allegations
The Alabama Supreme Court will reconsider allegations of voter fraud by college students. The students allegedly received illegal alcohol in exchange for their votes. Alabama Supreme Court to Look at Voter Fraud Allegations , WIAT News, May 1, 2014.

4/15/14: Two Accused of Voter Fraud in 2012 Election
Texas officials recently arrested two felons for alleged voter fraud after voting in May 2012. The two men allegedly knew they were not eligible to vote in the election. Two Accused of Voter Fraud in 2012 Election , Alice Echo News Journal, April 15, 2014.


1/27/14: New Hampshire: Temporary Campaign Staffer Continues to be "Voted" After Moving
We confirmed with the city clerk’s office that a vote under Former Jeanne Shaheen spokesperson Caitlin Legack's name and address was recorded. But Legacki moved out of New Hampshire shortly after the 2008 election (in which she voted) and was in St. Louis on Election Day 2012, working for U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill. ." Vote fraud: It, and mistakes, happen, Union Leader, January 27, 2014.

9/11/13: New York: Voter Impersonation Ignored by Police
Police watch multiple people attempt to impersonate voters and do nothing. The NYPD later answers that "allegations of voting fraud weren't under the department's purview." Brazen Voting Fraud Alleged Among Ultra-Orthodox In Williamsburg, Gotham News, September 11, 2013.

 

This is called vote buying. Photo ID voting laws would not have stopped this.

This is one of the cases that I already knew about.

Well, this is interesting. Someone voted under Legacki's name in New Hampshire in 2012, even though Legacki was living in St. Louis, MO at the time. Why is it interesting? Because New Hampshire had photo ID laws in place! So photo ID did not stop this ONE vote from being fraudulently recorded. And that is all that photo ID laws could actually prevent. One voter attempting to vote under another person's name.


Photo ID laws will not prevent absentee ballot fraud, in fact, it would likely increase this sort of fraud. It would not stop vote-buying, voting by coercion, ballot box stuffing, poll worker fraud, etc. Photo ID laws could only stop a single vote from being cast, per each incident attempted. One vote. Is that an efficient way to steal an election?

Yes, and the poll workers stopped them. So there was no actual voter fraud.

According to a Board of Elections poll worker and another poll watcher, groups of young Hasidic men attempted to enter the polling station at IS 71 and vote under the names of other citizens who have yet to vote. "They're signing signatures, but the ID they show doesn't match the signature on the forms. Yes, there's been some illegal stuff going on," BOE poll worker Antoinette Reaves said. An NYPD officer standing outside IS 71 told us he had witnessed four men attempting to vote under the wrong name in the two hours he had been posted there. While some of the attempts were made by men who looked to be of voting age, others struck poll workers as obviously fraudulent. "They're fourteen, fifteen years old, walking in here with a crowd of people. We stopped them and asked for ID—we know they're too young to go in there. They've been trying it all day," Reaves said.

http://legallypolitical.blogspot.com/2013/09/brazen-voting-fraud-alleged-among-ultra.html


Seriously, you've got nothing. Just admit it. Or you can take a look at this:

I’ve been tracking allegations of fraud for years now, including the fraud ID laws are designed to stop. In 2008, when the Supreme Court weighed in on voter ID, I looked at every single allegation put before the Court. And since then, I’ve been following reports wherever they crop up. To be clear, I’m not just talking about prosecutions. I track any specific, credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, in any way that an ID law could fix.

So far, I’ve found about 31 different incidents (some of which involve multiple ballots) since 2000, anywhere in the country. If you want to check my work, you can read a comprehensive list of the incidents below.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

 

<Sigh> Here we go again....

There is no reason to HAVE voter ID because:

1. The constitution of the United States does not require a photo ID to vote.

2. There is no crisis of voter fraud occurring. There are scant examples of it happening. There are policies and procedures in place that already prevent the type of voter fraud that photo ID would prevent. Actual voter fraud, the type that could be prevented by voter photo ID laws can only prevent ONE person from voting for ONE other person.

3. There are millions of elderly people that don't have a driver's license (they quit driving) and would need to get a photo ID in order to vote. That could be a burden and a hassle. Currently They ARE qualified to vote--they can simply go to the polling place and vote, like they've done their entire life.

4. People that have recently moved and want to vote would need to get a photo ID before voting. Currently they ARE qualified to vote and can vote by bringing a utility bill showing their name and address on it, or they can have a neighbor vouch for them.

5. College students attending college away from home would need to fly or drive back to their home address to vote. This means getting there before election day, which is on a Tuesday, meaning they would miss classes to vote.

Basically, requiring a photo ID to vote to cause hassles for millions of people from voting in the manner that they are accustomed to vote. Is that what we want? Less people voting?

 

8/1/13: New York: Election Official Abuses Seniors at Home She Manages
Democrat Election Commissioner Frances Knapp was indicted and plead not guilty to 46 felony counts and 48 misdemeanor counts of official misconduct and other charges. The most serious charges against Knapp, however, involve Knapp's involvement in absentee ballot fraud. Knapp allegedly tampered with the computer system sending of absentee ballots. Many of these victimized voters were residents of Maplewood Apartments, a senior living complex in Poughkeepsie managed by Knapp. Eric Shawn, More on NY Vote Fraud Scandal, Apartment Manager Vote Fraud?, RNLA Blog, August 1, 2013 (Post includes multiple links to local sources).

6/17/13: INDIANA: Ballot Fraud: Obama-Clinton primary
“The most amazing part about this voter fraud case involving the highest office in the United States is the fact that such a few number of people, because of laziness, arrogance or both did not do their job and thus could have affected the outcome of the election," noted St. Joseph County Republican Party Chairwoman Dr. Deborah Fleming.“ Eric Shawn, Dem Official sentenced to prison for ’08 ballot fraud in Obama-Clinton primary, Fox News, Jun 17, 2013.

6/14/13: FLORIDA: FEMA Official: Vote Fraud
“FEMA official charged in voter fraud case. Federal Emergency Management Agency official has been arrested in connection with a voter fraud case in St. Johns County, Florida. Michel Pawlowski, 68, was named in a complaint last fall alleging voter fraud. He lives in Maryland. His daughter ran for St. Augustine Beach city commission and won.” FEMA Official Charged in Voter Fraud Case, News 4 Jax, June 14, 2013.

6/5/13: South Dakota: vote fraud, absentee ballots
“The Daily Republic reports that Craig Guymon was arrested on charges of voter fraud. Police say Guymon voted Tuesday morning at the Mitchell Career and Technical Education Academy and later returned an absentee ballot to the Davison Auditor's Office.” Associated Press, South Dakota man arrested and charged with voter fraud, Rapid City Journal, Jun 5, 2013.

 

Absentee ballot. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

This was not voter fraud. This was the forging of signatures on a petition meant to get Obama on a primary ballot. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Absentee ballot. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Absentee ballot. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Please do your own research before posting your "evidence". This is getting tiresome.

 

5/31/13: FLORIDA: Florida Congressman: Vote Fraud
“Top staffer for Florida Democratic Rep. Garcia resigns amid voting fraud probe. The congressman said he thinks the plot was a “well-intentioned attempt to maximize voter turnout” and that the system is “prone to fraud.” AP, Top staffer for Florida Democratic Rep. Garcia resigns amid voting fraud probe, Fox News, May 31, 2013.

5/6/13: NEW YORK: Scheme to Steal Election Through Dead, Non-Existent and Moved Voting
“The most amazing part about this voter fraud case involving the highest office in the United States is the fact that such a few number of people, because of laziness, arrogance or both did not do their job and thus could have affected the outcome of the election," noted St. Joseph County Republican Party Chairwoman Dr. Deborah Fleming.“ Eric Shawn, Report: Mount Vernon Group Says Voting Fraud Has Riddled School Elections, Mount Vernon Daily Voice, May 6, 2013.

3/21/13: WISCONSIN: Milwaukee County: Double Voting
“Milwaukee County prosecutors Thursday filed voter fraud charges against 10 people, including two accused of double voting in 2012 elections and two felons ineligible to vote. Also among the fraud cases: a Milwaukee woman who is accused of signing a recall petition against Republican Gov. Scott Walker three times; and the petition circulator who collected those signatures.” Steve Schultze and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Prosecutors Charge 10 With Voter Fraud, Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel, Mar. 21, 2013.

2/19/13: OHIO: Melowese Richardson: multiple voting
"Richardson told a local television station this month that she voted twice last November. She cast an absentee ballot and then voted at the polls as well...Authorities also are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people, too, for a total of six votes in the 2012 presidential election." Eric Shawn, Did Obama supporter vote 6 times in 2012? Ohio poll worker target of investigation, Fox News, Feb. 19, 2013.

 

Absentee ballots. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Yeah... you already tried this one. The case was about fake signatures on a ballot petition. Not voter fraud. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

These involve fake signatures on petitions, absentee ballots, falsifying voter registration forms. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Absentee ballot. Photo ID would not have stopped this.

Carpro is copying and pasting from a Republican operative site. If anyone wants to save time and see them all at once, here you are:

https://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

I'm done with chasing rabbits.

 

12/28/12: TENNESSEE: voter impersonation, double voting
"District 4 Election Commissioner Carl Payne reported an incident in which "a father cast an absentee ballot, the son voted in person and then the son changes clothes and returned to vote as his father. We learned of this from a written statement from the poll manager." Among other cases reported by Payne (who was defeated Nov. 6 by Sissie Ferguson): A voter came to cast a ballot, gave a name that was on the poll book, signed the receipt book and was allowed to vote. Another person using the same name came to vote later that day, "and was informed he'd already voted. The second person provided proof of identity," Payne reported. Also, a voter cast a ballot in person at the proper precinct — and then prepared a provisional ballot, including a sworn affidavit, at another precinct." Henry Bailey, Potential voter fraud in DeSoto turned over to investigators, The Commercial Appeal, Dec. 20, 2012.

11/29/12: MINNESOTA: voter impersonation
"A Cottage Grove man told police Nov. 6 that someone had committed voter fraud by signing his name at a polling place, making it impossible for him to vote. The incident was being investigated." Cottage Grove police reports for Nov. 29: Drugs, suspicious activity, voter fraud, burglary, South Washington County Bulletin, Nov. 29, 2012.

11/8/12: NEW YORK: voter impersonation
"there were at least two instances of “outright voter fraud” — one in the city of Poughkeepise and another in Pleasant Valley — where a voter went to vote only to find someone had forged that person’s name and voted in their stead." Patricia Doxsey, Dutchess County voting marred by controversy, Daily Freeman, Nov. 8, 2012.

11/6/12: CALIFORNIA: posthumous voting
"According to state records, Carol has voted in the last two presidential elections, despite having passed away...NBC Bay Area found several other examples, too. People like Sara Schiffman of San Leandro who died in 2007 yet still voted in 2008, or former Hayward police officer Frank Canela Tapia who has voted 8 times since 2005, though he died in 2001." Stephen Stock, Felipe Escamilla and Kevin Nious, Dead and Still Voting, NBC Bay Area, Nov. 6, 2012.