In discussions of gender roles, who can be ordained, or the feminine church, the old lie usually comes up that UNLESS women are allowed to do exactly what men can do, they are being forced into a subservient role. Uh, no. Not hardly. That means buying the lie that women's lib tried to peddle years ago: that is, those roles, jobs, activities, or stations that were traditionally male are of high intrinsic value and status. Those roles, jobs, activities, or stations that were traditionally female are of little or no intrinsic value and status. So unless a woman can be like a man, she is worthless. How very insulting to women! By that logic, then blind people in my state are subservient to sighted people and of less worth--after all, they are not allowed a driver's license. Men are subservient to women and of less worth--they cannot lactate or gestate. People of good faith may understand the scriptures differently. Some may believe they teach women cannot be ordained and some that they can be ordained. Both cannot be right, obviously. But that doesn't mean it is about subservience at all. And trying to claim that it is about fairness truly misses the idea that God's ways are not our ways, nor His thoughts our thoughts.