... [of Christian explanations and interpretations] except what could be equally well stated without Christian formulae, then the honest thing to do is to admit that Christianity [or Calvinism] is untrue and to begin all over again without it." * (my words in brackets) Ergo --- if salvation is by monergistic election and there is nothing we can do to attain it (i.e. if election is unconditional), then there is truly no purpose for your notion of Christianity. Face it. The elect will be saved whoever they are -- Bhuddists, Hindus, atheists, etc. -- it matters NOT what God finds in them -- in "anything forseen in man." (Quote: Westminister Confession) The seemingly foundational sotierolgy of Calvinism is that God chooses whomsoever He will, period! Such a Christianity is merely one possible explanation of God and eternal life. Now -- if one must believe before one is saved/elect -- there you've got a Christianity that requires a Christ and the whole Bible story. skypair *from his essay "Horrid Red Things"