C. S. Lewis was not a Christian

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  1. Psalm145 3

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    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    I have C. S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity. When you shine the light of God's Words upon the writings of C. S. Lewis, it becomes clear that he was an unbeliever. Here are a few quotes from his book:

    In chapter 10 of Mere Christianity, C. S. Lewis wrote, "There are people who do not accept the full Christian doctrine about Christ but who are so strongly attracted by Him that they are His in a much deeper sense than they themselves understand. There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it."

    C. S. Lewis has rejected what the Holy Spirit says in 2 John 1:9, "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."

    See also Hebrews 8:10-11. If a person does not know the Lord, then he is not a Christian, he is not saved. A person cannot belong to Christ without knowing Him.

    In chapter 5 of Mere Christianity, C. S. Lewis wrote, "There are three things that spread the Christ life to us: baptism, belief, and that mysterious action which different Christians call by different names--Holy Communion, the Mass, the Lord's Supper."

    He also wrote in the same chapter, "That is why He uses material things like bread and wine to put the new life into us."

    C. S. Lewis believed and taught a false gospel. The Holy Bible teaches that salvation is by God's grace alone through faith alone in the one offering of Jesus Christ alone upon the cross apart from any sacraments or religious rituals.

    The Holy Spirit says in Galatians 1:8-9, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

    Let him be accursed. This is God's judgment.

    Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
     
  2. Odemus

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    Post Deleted in accordance to BB rules of non-Baptist posting in Baptist Only Forum.

    Bro. Dallas

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  3. JamieinNH

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    I don't know C. S. Lewis, and haven't read any of his books, but someone tell me where exactly in the Bible is it that we are to "Call Out Publicly" these assumptions that someone <anyone> IS or ISN'T a Christian?

    I mean, we just went through a thread about Geroge Bush, and I am sure there have been other threads along these lines.

    We DON'T really KNOW who is or isn't a Chritian. We can guess, we can look at people and say with all the things they write/do it doesn't seem like their are a Christian. We can even go as far to say that the things they write/do are things we don't believe in, or believe they shouldn't do and we don't want to have anything to do with them.

    But, we CAN NOT say if someone IS or ISN'T a Christian. WE should not, in my opinion be judging people so readily. Only God knows who are his children, and who are not.

    So, please tell me in the Bible, which verse does it say that we should be calling people out in public like this?

    Jamie
     
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    Think about it Odemus, Yes God knew the calamity which would befall the world and Adam's race but He entered into it and became a human being sharing in the suffering of the things which we suffer.

    No one in the universe has suffered more than Jesus Christ.

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    Originally posted by Odemus:

    I am posting this quote in this reply so that it is known you are not censored for your words against our Holy, Just and Merciful God. Instead your post was deleted because of your posting it in a Baptist Only Forum.

    Your words against God only reveal the enmity in your logical mind against His Grace and Mercy. Your words against God only reveal the depravity of your own heart to despise the Goodness of God that in His Lovingkindness has provided in His Own Blood reconciliation to the sinful creature.

    God has no need of my poor attempt to censor you or to defend Himself.

    Your post is the evil of man calling the good evil; your post is nothing more. The evil carnal mind of logic and reason cannot comprehend the depth and height of His Love, Mercy and Longsuffering.

    That which is in the heart of man is what defiles him;

    I pray for the Longsuffering of God to visit upon you the error of your way that you too won't have to feel the wrath of God abiding upon you for eternity because of your own evil heart and wicked mind that would think itself justified in bringing accusation against your creator.

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    "Deconverted" would indicate ignorance of true conversion.

    The Lord knows them that His, and no one can pluck them out of His hand.

    Some of us are still praying for your conversion.

    "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do", the crucifixion of Jesus at Golgotha, near Jerusalem, A.D. 33.

    When you stand at the Bar of God, how will you plead?

    Selah,

    Bro. James

    P.S. Sorry, apparently Odemus got "bleeped" while I was making this post. The same words which were directed at Nic-ODEMUS, John, Ch.3, apply here: "ye must be born again".
     
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    C.S. Lewis traveled a different road than the one I do but I enjoy his work and testimony.
    I disagree with Lewis on a number of points of his theology, yet I fully expect to see him in heaven.

    Lewis, (like both of us) was saved by faith and not by any (mis)constructions of theology.
    God sees me through the eyes of my Savior.

    Rob
     
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    Dear Psalm 145 3,
    C.S. Lewis is 'merely' showing his agreement with scripture that teaches to us the wind bloweth where it listeth, we may hear the sound thereof, but we know not where it is from nor where it goes.

    There is no man who is able to say who has and who has not believed unto righteousness from the heart.

    I agree there are fruits of the Spirit, but let us be sure to note these are fruits of the already present Spirit.

    There can be no such fruits, whether it be weak or strong faith, whether it be agreement or not, whether it be anything we identify as fruit, there can be no fruit of the Spirit apart from the presence of the Spirit.

    Life always precedes birth.

    Life is regeneration (it is the Spirit that quickeneth) birth is conversion and is according to the measure of faith; until at the end of all things we all are brought to the perfect knowledge of Christ and His Righteousness as we are then and only then made to see Him as He is; even the apostle John acknowledges this fact.

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  9. Frogman

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    Dear Brother James,
    I deleted Odemus' post; his words. But only because he is a non-Baptist posting in a Baptist Only Forum.

    I have no ability to rightly defend God whose righteousness, mercy, holiness, and all attributes extend from everlasting to everlasting; and I have no desire to make apologies for Him either.

    I can and will pray for the conversion of Odemus according to the power of holiness that by the resurrection from the dead declared Christ to be the Son of God according to the promises given to the Fathers and spoken to the prophets and promised to David to be in his line.

    God is able to work the works that are His according to the counsel of His will.

    Bro. Dallas

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    Agree with enforcing the rules.

    However, sometimes we have to "get into the ditch" to preach. We cannot be heard from the middle of the road--nor on the fence.

    Whether C.S. Lewis is Christian or not is between him and The Lord. I do know that much of what is published as "Christian" is spiritual rubbish--mostly salvation by works and other doctrines which originated in "the pit".

    The 66 books are still available--free of charge. The price has already been paid--at Calvary. It is finished. It is enough.

    Selah,

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    Amen. This is why I quoted his post in my subsequent reply.

    Unless a fellow moderator disagrees with that action, I would think there is nothing wrong with addressing the words presented as such.

    Odemus, as a member unless he has left or truly wants an invitation to leave may certainly make his argument in the Other Christian forums or other discussions, etc.

    But any such remarks as he makes he/she better be prepared for disagreement and maybe even rebuke from some.

    We must all remember how great an affliction we ourselves suffered in our conversion experiences and remember that we all were once children of disobedience even as others still may be.

    We must always continue in the knowledge that righteousness is obeyed from the heart first, then confession is made upon the lips. The latter without the former is an empty faith unable to please God. This is true because there is no way to please God or even to offer sacrifices (which are our works of righteousness that we are created in Christ to peform) apart from doing those things, presenting those things, offering those sacrifices through Christ; there is no hope if there is not found from the heart a hope in Christ; this is the hope of glory that I love to speak of whenever given liberty to do so. It is our giving reason for the hope that is in us; it is the hope of Israel and the Church; without hope through Christ in the world to come, we will find ourselves in this world among all men to be most miserable.

    Sometimes I wonder if the weak and beggarly things of this world are not being fed to the sheep rather than the great truths of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus which has made us free from the law of sin and death.

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    I echo Deacon's post. I also think it's fairly arrogant to declare someone is not a Christian. Psalm145 3, a person can be wrong about something, but that doesn't necessarily make them an unbeliever. You have not shown Lewis was not a Christian, you have only shown he was not an Independent Baptist (which most people are aware of already). Lewis was Anglican. If you think things like sacraments invalidate one's Christianity, you should look into the lives of people like the KJV translators.
     
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    It is evident, at least I think it should be more evident that many Christians shudder to think of the pious Puritan.

    Yet look at the many works of Grace and Mercy their studies provided even in the backdrop of such willingness to not recognize what spirit they were of.

    Still we take upon ourselves a greater pretension of righteousness; we (myself most of all) ought to seek our rest in the Righteousness of God that is manifested in Christ; our propitiation (read place and person of mercy) over the which God does commune with His people.

    bro. Dallas Eaton, a poor sinner saved by Grace according to the Purpose of God.
     
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    Should Odemus even have a membership with the BB at all? Where does an unbeliever have the privilege of posting on this Board? I don't remember now, but don't you have to be a Christian to be a member?
     
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    Dear Gershom,
    No one has baptized Odemus. You must be a believer to be a member of a church; but to visit a church all are welcome.

    Now, BB is not a church; but you can see the similarities I am sure.

    Now if someone assumes authority to baptize him/her without an experience of Grace then I will think something odd.

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    I think anyone who posts deliberately trying to sway people into believing there is no God, etc. should be banned from the BB. This was one of my concerns about travelsong aka, odemus. He was not on here to do anything positive or "learn the truth" as he professed, but to have satan use him in tearing down the BB. It should be the moderators responsibility, not as BB moderators, but as believers, to filter out that garbage in case there is someone reading these posts who might not be saved.
     
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    Amen, Brother Ben. [​IMG]
     
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    Dear Brethren,
    If you think my actions are error you may report my posts to the other moderators. I will abide by their collective decisions.

    Otherwise, I am of the opinion that where the errors of someone like odemus can be met with Biblical truth that were someone unsaved (including him/herself) might possibly benefit according to the Purpose of God's counsel in leading them to the BB.

    Otherwise, my original response to the rejection of C.S. Lewis as a non-believer is good for odemus and any other, we cannot and do not know the heart of anyone and how they may be seeking after the Lord.

    There is without doubt a strong dilusion in the flesh both hiding and continually hindering the things of the Spirit.

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    Brother Dallas,

    Your posts are always filled with grace. You are a dear brother. Thank you.
     
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    First, I was aware of 'travelsong' on another board, where he was bitter and mocking even when claiming to be a Christian. I did not see any of the marks of Christian character there, so I do pray for him.

    Second, regarding CS Lewis, please all, remember that the Church of England (here the high Episcopalian) is very close to Roman Catholic and that is what he was familiar with. One can trust Jesus fully, which he certainly appeared to do, and show the transformed character, which he certainly did, without having all the correct doctrines exactly in place, which probably none of us do!
     

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