Let me begin by saying that I am not what you would call a "Calvanist", a "Ruckmanite", or an avid follower of Daivid Cloud, or anyone else. I try my best not to be classified into categories or cliques, even though I am not ashamed to be called a baptist. I have read material written by all three men mentioned above and like anyone, find things that I agree with, and things that I disagree with. What I have noticed though is that people seem to want to take a stand against Ruckman and Cloud for their mean spirit, hateful speech, and lack of love and tolerance for the brethren (which I dont always agree with either) yet they will hold John Calvin in the highest regards. For the past month or so I have been reading a number of books. Two has to do with the doctrine of Calvanism, one with Church History, and the other is a devotional by a Calvanist (not to mention I have been surfing the web quite a bit and have seen some things there too). I was very surprised when I came across some quotes from Calvin, that were to say the least not very polite. In a letter to another believer Calvin calls the man a dog and his speech barking. He also calls another man a "simpleton" and goes on to insult his intelligence by saying "you must be twice or thrice dipped into stupidity.." Then I read that he played a major roll in having a man named Servetus killed, and yet I hear people do nothing but praise John Calvin. How is it that we can condemn Ruckman, Cloud, and who ever else for their "rude speech" and yet ignore it when it comes to Calvin??