Calvinism vs. DoG??

And so then, what are people called from the Reformed Theology?

 

If I buy you a gift and offer it to you, in what way did you assist in purchasing the gift?

 

Calvinists? DoG'rs? Whatever you want to call yourself. I want to be called a Christian.

 

It's not....but the Pastor just proved it thru Scripture.

 

No, see it's not us that should have the qualifier. We do everything according to scripture. So therefore, I will just call myself Christian then & to heck with all these silly names given.

 

Yeah. You have God making the choice for you to love Him. That's not love.

 

I don't get your point. I was responding to TCassidy asking what non cals should be called. He thinks we should be called "self salvationists". I said call us Christians. Is there a problem with wanting to be called a Christian?

 

Of course it was God's love for "all" that motivated Him to die on the cross. But you will not find any scripture stating that God loves "for" us.

Jesus purchased salvation for us on the cross. I had NOTHING to do with it. It was His plan, His decision, His offer. But if I don't take my hands out of my pockets and receive His gift, I will not be saved. He does not make that decision for me. Scripture does not bear it out.

 

No no No.....when he awakens you, you still have a choice to reject him.

 

Absolutely nothing & we have that right as well. Of course we have our differences but their not large enough to say one is Christian & the other isnt. We just play these games with names in the desire (I think anyway) to separate ourselves from one another....this is what I resent the most & Im certain Quantum would back me up that this has been my position all along.

 

I really don't have an answer as to how you should refer to them.

My point, though, is to give deference to our opponents who do claim that they are not self-saved.

You and I may (and do) disagree with them on this in that we see salvation as a work of God from beginning to end, not based on "foreknowledge" wrongly defined. However, to use "Self-Saved" puts an unnecessary stumbling block between to conversants that might other wise have a fruitful conversation.

Perhaps ask how their theology doesn't emphasize the "self?" Try to change their mind. But, please don't make it harder for them by having to stomach a term they see as offensive.

Blessings,

The Archangel

 

I also agree. I don't particularly like the term "Calvinist" either. Wouldn't it be great if we could have intelligent dialog & debate without this competitive brow beating....besides we all know thats NOT what our Master wanted.

 

Yeah...my opinions and sentiments may not be too helpful.

No, we should not. However, someone who has a synergistic understanding of salvation is not the same as one who is not saved in the first place.

Therefore, deference should be given based on someone being a Christian.

While that is true, the stumbling block makes it soooo much harder for us all to engage in meaningful exchanges without degenerating into name calling.

I have no doubt this word can be used to draw some into discussion. But, for others they start seeing red and insulting someone for whom Christ died. It's the idea that honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Blessings,

The Archangel

 

Tom, Ive learned allot from you my time here & I'm thankful to you. We have had several heated dialogs sometimes too heated my brother. God knows we must have these talks so we understand each others theological difference. What I have seen is genuine interest in our Reformed theology as well as some misconceptions. Hopefully we are resolving them but we also have hotheads on both sides that cause resentment. Id like to wade through this & get us all to the point where mature discussions occur. I know you also want that my brother & I hope you will work with us to make that happen.
Please hang out & back us up in this endeavor.

Thanks for your understanding in this matter!