Featured Can a Calvinist deny Lordship salvation and hold to the sinners prayer?

You quoted the KJV, which you quoted accurately. Several other translations agree, but a lot of them do, in fact, translate the passage as confessing Jesus is Lord.

For instance:
ASV: "...confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord...."
AMP: "Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord..."
DARBY: "..that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord..."
ESV: "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord...."
HCSB: "If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”....'

That same verse also includes "believe" or "believe in your heart" that God raised Jesus rose from the dead.

I find it interesting that the HCSB (Holman Christian Standard Bible) gives us the words to say. "Jesus is Lord." And we must say them aloud, not just believe them as truth, according to 10:9.

I know this thread has wandered a bit from the OP, so maybe somebody could start a thread on exactly what are the mechanics of being saved.

Repent?
Believe in Jesus?
Confess aloud with words? (Such as "Jesus is Lord," "I believe," "I repent")
Call on the name of the Lord? (What do we say?)
Ask God to save you? ( As, Lord be merciful to me, a sinner)

All of the above?
Any one of the above?
Any two of the above.
Something else?

Or, to relate this to the OP, would a Calvinist give different answers from a non-Calvinist to these questions?

Okay, have at it.

 

You quoted the KJV, which you quoted accurately. Several other translations agree, but a lot of them do, in fact, translate the passage as confessing Jesus is Lord.

For instance:
ASV: "...confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord...."
AMP: "Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord..."
DARBY: "..that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord..."
ESV: "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord...."
HCSB: "If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”....'

That same verse also includes "believe" or "believe in your heart" that God raised Jesus rose from the dead.

I find it interesting that the HCSB (Holman Christian Standard Bible) gives us the words to say. "Jesus is Lord." And we must say them aloud, not just believe them as truth, according to 10:9.

I know this thread has wandered a bit from the OP, so maybe somebody could start a thread on exactly what are the mechanics of being saved.

Repent?
Believe in Jesus?
Confess aloud with words? (Such as "Jesus is Lord," "I believe," "I repent")
Call on the name of the Lord? (What do we say?)
Ask God to save you? ( As, Lord be merciful to me, a sinner)

All of the above?
Any one of the above?
Any two of the above.
Something else?

Or, to relate this to the OP, would a Calvinist give different answers from a non-Calvinist to these questions?

Okay, have at it.

 

I am curious! Just what do people consider a "sinners" prayer. I believe that all sincere prayer is a sinners prayer!

1 John 1:8-10
8. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

Sorry for the multiple posts. I tried to edit my post and something went awry. The edit I wanted to make was to ask another question regarding belief in Jesus.

The question is, what exactly do we have to believe?

And this one also occurred to me: Is there a difference in believing IN Jesus and believing ON Jesus (as in Acts 16:32)?

 

I thought of a couple more questions.

Obviously, Romans 10:9 says we must believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. What else must we believe?

If we confess the Lord Jesus, to whom do we confess? To God Himself? Publicly, to other believers? Publicly, to anybody who will listen?

 

reformed salvation view os that when God saves a sinner, that power will prove/confirm/show that he was really one of the Elect chosen out by God by preserving himself unto the end, no falling away, going back etc...

The really saved shall lives lives worthy of their calling, and have fruit to evidence that truth...

Lordship salvations goes a bit further, as those advocating for that view seem to hold that Jesus must become established as Lord over all aspects of our lives before real salvation has happened, but think they overeact to just say the sinners prayer years ago, and still live as usually...

Jesus is the Lord over us once we got saved, and we should realize that truth, but that is an ongoing work in our lives, NOT iintial point of salvation!

They mix up Justification sad sauctification in this!

 

I read something a short time ago which I think more nearly reflects my view.

It is, that confessing Jesus as Lord is the outward reflection of an inward change.

Confessing Jesus as Lord is not an act which results in salvation. It is an act which is the result of salvation.

 

Yes, it is a very subtle difference. But there are two ways to look at it.

The easy-believism person (that's me) believes you are saved and cannot lose salvation. I am not working to be saved, but simply trusting Jesus will save me as he promised to save all those that come to him.

The lordship-salvation person believes they must be obedient to be saved. They can never relax, they must persevere to the end. They are always working.

I mean, watch Paul Washer and he beats his audience over the head. By the time he is finished, nobody in his audience believes they were EVER saved.

I've sat under evangelists like that before, you can have them.

 

You are correct according to Scripture!

1st Corinthians 12:3. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

 

I don't know but I suspect that MacArthur's justification for teaching Lordship salvation was to throw proper light on the "easy believism" salvation! Turns out after a little searching my suspicions were correct!

 

Where do you get the idea that easy believism is completely tied up in the sinners prayer?

 

I think and have seen its "misuse" as a result of poor discipleship and failure to communicate properly.

 

Well its use is currently being condemned by some of our Rock Star theologians in the convention.

 

As it should be. It is a damnable heresy.

I'm not sure how you think its misuse is the result of poor discipleship ?? Can you explain ??

Does that mean the one who wasn't disciples properly is the one who misuses it?

If that's what you mean, I would agree some.

However, misuse should be understood as any use at all. It is a works-based, self righteous attempt to reach God thru a means which would leave room for boasting.

Plus, those who advocate it seriously misunderstand the context of Romans 10, and also misunderstand what is meant by "call on the name of the Lord" and "confess with your mouth"

 

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Can you explain what 25 or so dots means? I've seen that before, but I seriously don't get it.

Does that mean "ditto" ??

Or maybe "I'm stumped" ??

Or "I'll get back to you" ??