Can anybody prove?

Chem:
Where in the Bible did God say No other person or tribe may touch or carry the ark. Is this expressly so stated? Is there a declarative statement that states Dan, Benjamin,Issachar,or m or the other tribes may not touch the ark or carry it. If you say,yes, Deut 10:8 does. Then, why can you not also see that Jeus meant he had commanded ALL things to be taught and observed. Thusly, prohibiting anything else. Mat. 28:18-20. In your last post you stated that it was expressly forbidden for any other tribe to carry the ark other than the Levites. Yet, I do not find the specific names of the tribes forbidden or individuals, either. Do you or do you not believe a declarative statement of an order of things precludes any alternative ? If not , why not?

 

In reference to the original question... Was a visible church in mind when Jesus told Peter upon this Rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against?... Was he talking about a visible or triumphant church or both?... If he did set up a church it is still here but can only be traced by doctrine and those brethren over the ages of time that held to that doctrine. The Bible states there is false doctrine and that being so there must be true doctrine. There is a false church... There must be a true church. The RCC claim they are the true church but they are 400 years to late. The COC also make that claim but they are 1,800 years to late. JW's and Mormons can't make that claim because like the others they are also false and each and everyone one of these churches were set-up by mortal men.
If you are looking for the true church it has to bear the apostolic stamp and have the same doctrine and anything less than that it doesn't qualify. Since Jesus Christ set it up and it was by his doctrine and authority true church history will prove nothing less. Find the church that has the Apostolic marks and you find the true church but beware there are many false ones!... Brother Glen

 

Sounds good in theory but how do you do that?

How do you know that your interpretation of Scripture is the same as the first Christians?

For example : the Lord's Supper. How do you know what early Christians believed? If you say from the Bible, you are talking about your interpretation not history.

 

CHEM:
In the scriptures you posted, none of then use the names of Dan, Benjamin or Issachar in reference to the touching of the ark. If so,which one.
Yet, you contend they were expressly forbidden. This is interesting.
The same logical interpreatation of Mat. 28:18-20 forbids the use of creeds,yet the word is not specifically so used. Funny, you can see it in matters of the ark, but not in the words commanded all things to be taught and observed. All things is, well, all things. It eliminates anything else for then All things would not be all things. It would be some things and some commandments and some of the time. Mat. 28;18-20
By the way, I agree God expressly forbids any other tribe from carrying the ark. Deut 10:8.And by the same logic of interpretation it forbids creeds also. Mat. 28:18-20. You are at least consistently inconsistent with hermeneutics.

 

Where in the Great Commission does it talk about creeds??
DHK

 

dhk:
The same place in the scriptures that says Dan, Benjamin and Issachar could not touch the ark.

 

dhk:
The same place in the scriptures that says Dan, Benjamin and Issachar could not touch the ark.

 

Chemnitz said:

No where in my church do we say that the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ are present with the bread and wine. The unleavened bread... which it must be is just that and during communion it represents or is symbolic of the broken body of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The wine must be wine and not grape juice and it is also symbolic or represents the shed blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We do not believe in the doctrine of transubstiantation and the Apostolic church never taught it. We are also known as foot washing Baptist... Our denominational name is Primitive Baptist... Brother Glen

 

Chem:
God requires mento act with his authority. He may not teach or act outside waht he has prescribed. The Bible teaches we must do all in the name of Christ. Col. 3:17.
A pharmacist may not fill a prescription without the doctors authority. He may not change it in any way. If he does he has acted without the authority of the doctor who wrote the prescription.
In writng the prescription thedocter does not write what may not be done. why?
He has provide explicit instructions as to the prescription.
Jesu provided explicit instructions to us in Mat. 28:18-20. He commanded all t be taught and observed. hewas explicit in his instructuions he did not have to use the word creed to prohibit it's use. The words commanded all to be taught and observed is specific, if you will prescription as to what is to be done. He did not and does not have to use the word creed, no more than he has to say you may not use hashish in the assembly or you may not use a statue of Mary to pray in the assembly,or you may not preach naked! He has specifically sated what he desires. This eliminates the general.
God does not say using certain words for all thihngs not to be done. If he did. we wopuld never be able to lift the Bible much less read it.
Finally, Deut. 10:8 prohibits anyone other than the levites form touching the ark. There is no verse that uses the word Dan, Benjmain,and Isachar may not touch the ark,however, the specific prescription prohibits them from doing so. Ther is no verse that uses the words you may not use creeds in matters of faith. However, again, he did not have to. He provided the specific instructions as to what we must do and teach. The failure to repect the principle of authority is deadly. Ask Nadab and Abihu. Lev. 10: 1-4. Ask Saul. I Samuel 15:22,23. Ask Moses. Numbers 20:10-12.Ask Jezebel. Rev.2:20. Ask The Nicolaitans. Ask The Pharisees. Mat. 23:1-11 vs. 33.Ask the False Teacher. Rev 20: 10.

 

Chem:
As Isaid it is in the same scripture tha says Benjamin Dan, Isachar may not touch the ark. The proof was posted. If you read the Bible and the verses posted. However, You do not like the Bible as your authority, that is why you follow the teachings of Luther. Paul said n anyman think himself to be a prophet or spiritual let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Could Luther say this. NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. Luther was over a thousand years late with his teachings.
Finally, to the rational mind it has been proven.
You just deny the evidence and are irrational.

 

Chemnitz the scriptures state that it is symbolic or representative of the same. Unleavened bread is unleavened bread and wine is wine... neither body nor blood is in neither.

No we are a body of Baptist that very few have heard of and our doctrinal lineage goes farther back than any Baptist here. We can prove it by Church History but you probably wouldn't believe us anyway. You want to investigate the Primitive Baptist brethren feel free we have nothing to hide... btw after communion Christ set the example of foot washing which we still observe every communion service. You brethren continue your search... Mine has ended!... Brother Glen

[ July 26, 2002, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

Chem:
Let's see.
1. Dan, Benjamin and Issachar were not mentioned in any text that they could not touch the ark. you claim it is expressly prohibited. How?

2.You say Mat. 28:18-20 does not prohibit the use of creeds. How?

In both cases the words Dan Benjamin and Issachar and creeds are NOT PRESENT.Yet, your reasoning is that on the first part they were expressly PROHIBITED. On the second part, you claim they are ALLOWED.
Yet, in Mat. 28:18-20 ALL AUTHORITY IS CHRIST'S. Question: Where did he authorize creeds? Men are commanded to act only by the authority of Christ. Col. 3: 17.
In verse 20 Jesus by the authortity given him by GOD,vs. 18, Mat. 17:5, Commanded ALL THINGS. Question: Where did he command the Lutheran creed.
In verse 20, those made disciples were to observe ALL THINGS TAUGHT. Question: where was the Lutheran creed taught to be observed?

Question: If the Lutheran creed teaches exactly all things as Christ commanded by his authority, Why would I need to know the Lutheran creed? Why would anyone need to know it, study it, or follow it. Why not just follow the New Testament of Christ?

 

I guess they were done talking with you since you couldn't put up a good defense!... Brother Glen