We have all heard the notion by many on this list that all past present and future sins of the believer have been atoned for. It is the accepted belief of those that hold to this notion that a literal payment has been made for specific sins and as such are forgiven and considered by God as if though they now do not exist. It is easy to simply state a doctrinal position, especially if one does not consider carefully the ramification it imbibes. To get started, let’s first settle what it means to have ones sins forgiven. Does that really mean that the penalty of the law has been set aside for all eternity on their behalf? Follow the logic. If in fact God has forgiven the elect for all sins that are past present and future, and it is also a firmly held belief that those that are elect have been chosen from before the foundations of the world, does it not follow that the sins of the elect were already paid for before man ever existed on this planet? Can you say that the elect are chosen from eternity past and their sins were paid for in a literal sense without concluding that in essence there was no time in which their sins could have actually existed, for they had been forgivenen and cast into the sea as far as the east is from the west, never to be remembered again, i.e., set aside from the time they were called elect, i.e., from eternity past? If They were the elect from eternity past, and their sins have been forgiven from eternity past, and God says that once forgiven they will never be remembered again, then God's forgetfulness has to be from eternity past, which necessitates there was never a time in which he knew about their sins. If God forgets, and that forgetfulness is the means by which he calls them elect and sees them as righteous, would not God have to be the victim of eternal amnesia? Would it not follow logically that if there were ever any sins that God could not have ever even known about (in relationship to the elect) due to the fact that He had chosen them and forgiven them and predestined them to be the elect from eternity past, and that no sins can be charged against the elect without charging God of remembering and holding against them that which He stated he never would? Why does this not make sin an actual impossibility for the elect, and punishment for something already forgiven, and that from eternity past, an absolute travesty of veracity on God’s part to even suggest that it was ever even possible? Can God forgive something He never knew about, and promised in his Word He would never remember, due to the fact He predestined them from eternity past as the elect without being seen as far less than truthful? Would not God have to remember something that He could not have known existed, and deny Himself in the process in order to forgive sins in the case of the elect? Does not even the mention of sin ever in the life of the elect allude to the fact that something exists that is and always has been a natural impossibility?