can one of you help me looking for good sbc colleges

Any and all of the Texas Baptist schools are good choices. Of course they are not technically "Southern Baptist", but the majority of leadership and much of the student body come from Southern Baptist backgrounds.

[ September 14, 2003, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: Baptist Believer ]

 

What are you hoping to major in?

 

There are a number of SBC related college. But give us some more information first. We know that you want to focus on mission and youth ministry.

However, you need to make sure that your college years are an intense time of preparation and the benefits you receive from college will directly correlate from your approach and discipline.

1. What is your HS cumulative GPA?
2. What are you SAT/ACT test scores?
3. How would you characterize your study habits?

 

If I was a young Southern Baptist and willing to leave home for an education, I would very seriously at Boyce Bible College in Louisville, on the campus of SBTS.

 

Boyce College, Louisville, KY

Clear Creek Baptist Bible College, Pineville, KY

 

University of Mary Hardin Baylor, one of the Texas colleges that Baptist Believer referred to.

UMHB

Oklahoma Baptist University, Shawnee, OK

OBU

 

The texas schools are notoriously going downhill. They are doin' their darndest to appear conservative to keep churches. However, the BGCT and the schools associated with it are theological wastelands and ministerial cowpies.

- War the SBCT continuing to grow at the expence of the BGCT.

Gunther

 

Hey Dallasdid,

You will surely want to contact Southeastern College at Wake Forest. It shares the campus with Southeastern Seminary (SBC). It has a new college missions program called the 2 + 3 program. It is based on the 2 + 2 program in the Seminary. You would spend two years on the campus in Wake Forest, NC and then deploy for three years to the mission field working with veteran IMB Church Planting Missionaries as you complete your studies.

I am currently completing the Master of Arts in Intercultural Studies here at SEBTS.

Here is a link to the Southeastern College website:

Link to Southeastern Website

Yours in Christ,

BibleboyII

 

I realize that you are obligated to attack anything that the SBC doesn’t control since you embrace the so-called “conservative resurgence”…

Texas Baptist schools are generally rather conservative with Baylor being the most “moderate” and Houston Baptist University being the most “fundamental”. Your blanket allegations of the schools as a whole shows that your opinion is not based on truth, but rather, a religious agenda.

Um, yeah, whatever… Did you think of that one by yourself?

A graduate of a BGCT school would have written a coherent sentence without a typing error, a spelling error, and an error of fact.

The SBC leaders and the rival state convention SBTC (not SBCT) leaders continually attack the BGCT with false accusations. Their lack of concern for telling the truth reveals that they are not speaking words motivated by God, but instead, words motivated by sin and/or the evil one.

 

I am always reminded of what a friend of mine told me from a country that saw liberalism first hand. He said, "Liberals and fundamentalists lie in the same bed just at opposite ends." I find that both think they are right in their theology but their ignorance is revealed to those who are teachable. One is anti-God and the other embraces legalism. Jesus condemned both.

I guess not much has changed since Jesus.

The fact is that I have met theological liberals who never study and plagiarize and are "in" the conservative camp. I have also met people who are very conservative who will tolerate some liberalism just so they don't have to put up with the legalism. There are good people on both sides and there are poor people on both sides.

I know a professor that teaches in a CBF school because he is tired of all the legalism. But he will hold your feet to the fire when it comes to interpretation and theology. He was probably the top professor in the SBC. There is hardly a seminary today that will put you through the rigors that he does to his undergraduate students.

Kind of reminds me of what Billy Graham wrote, On page 251 of Just As I Am: The Autobiography of Billy Graham, Billy Graham writes, "During this holy but hard time, letters to Ruth were my safety valve. In the intimacy of our partnership in the ministry, as well as our mutual love and respect, I could express myself to her as to few others. I smarted under grievous criticisms from fundamentalists, and I minced no words in telling her how I felt: '"Some of the things they say are pure fabrications.... I do not intend to get down to their mud slinging and get into endless arguments and discussions with them.... We are too busy winning souls to Christ and helping build the church to go down and argue with these... publicity-seekers.'" "I continued in the same vain: '"If a man accepts the deity of Christ and is living for Christ to the best of his knowledge, I intend to have fellowship with him in Christ. If this extreme type of fundamentalism was of God, it would have brought revival long ago. Instead it has brought dissension, strife, and has produced dead and lifeless churches.'"

[ September 16, 2003, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: gb93433 ]

 

I have been informed by the moderator that my response to Gunther was "beyond the pale and anything but Christlike".

The moderator suggested that I edit my post (which I am not allowed to do) and apologize.

Looking back at my post, I see how people could misunderstand my meaning at a few points so I shall clarify and make the appropriate apologies and points.

I realize that you are obligated to attack anything that the SBC doesn’t control since you embrace the so-called “conservative resurgence”… </font>[/QUOTE]I made an assertion that Gunther was attack BGCT schools because they are not under the control or influence of the SBC leadership and the promoters of the so-called “conservative resurgence”. I believe this to be true because I suspect that Gunther has no personal knowledge of BGCT schools except for heresay and propaganda that has been spread by those who oppose the stand of the BGCT.

But given that fact that I assume that Gunther may be misled, it was inappropriate of me to assert that Gunther is knowingly spouting lies and distortions.

I want to publicly apologize for possibly inferring that Gunther is being personally dishonest.

Texas Baptist schools are generally rather conservative with Baylor being the most “moderate” and Houston Baptist University being the most “fundamental”. Your blanket allegations of the schools as a whole shows that your opinion is not based on truth, but rather, a religious agenda. </font>[/QUOTE]Since the label “conservative” is thrown around as a synonym for “biblical” in many Baptist circles, I assumed that Gunther was stating that BGCT schools are pretending to be “biblical” (or “conservative”) when they are actually not. I completely rejected that foolish and inaccurate assertion and gave personal and practical information in response.

But given the fact that the word “conservative” could mean something else entirely that has nothing to do with biblical values, I may have misjudged Gunther’s statement if he has specific evidence that BGCT schools are posturing themselves as something that they are not.

I apologize if Gunther did not equate being “conservative” with being “biblical”.

Um, yeah, whatever… Did you think of that one by yourself? </font>[/QUOTE]In regard to the BGCT being a “theological wasteland”, I can only say that Gunther is profoundly incorrect if he is using the Christian faith as a frame of reference for his comment. If he is referring to another type of faith (perhaps a “Sword of the Lord”-type of fundamentalism), he is likely correct.

I apologize for my utter disrespect for his position if he was not using the Christian faith as a reference for his “theological wasteland” comment.

In regard to the BGCT schools somehow being “ministerial cowpies”, I can only say that Gunther is profoundly incorrect if he can find a correlation between bovine manure and BGCT schools (except for perhaps a livestock program offered at one of the West Texas schools).

I am a graduate of a BGCT school and know a number of people in theological education in those schools. Your statement is utterly (and udderly) without merit and deserves no respect because of its intent to malign the innocent.If somehow Gunther can make a correlation between animal feces (generally or specifically) to the quality of BGCT schools, I will reconsider my position.

A graduate of a BGCT school would have written a coherent sentence without a typing error, a spelling error, and an error of fact. </font>[/QUOTE]I intended this to be light-hearted because I found it ironic that someone who would criticize the quality of BGCT schools would unintentionally post a sentence this distorted. I now understand that with the tone of the previous comment as the context of the above comments, this came across as mean-spirited. (The “laughing” icon was intended to indicate lightheartedness but instead appears to indicate a laugh of derision.)

I sincerely apologize for unintentionally ridiculing the mistakes in his sentence.

I apologize for implying that every single one of the SBC leaders and SBTC leaders are involved in dishonest attacks on the BGCT and its agencies. I know that there are many who do not involve themselves in those attacks.

But I also contend that many who are involved in SBC and SBTC leadership and membership know that almost all of those attacks are based upon false and dishonest information and yet engage in (or do not oppose) those attacks.

Those people are doing the works of the evil one and they will be judged by God.

 

Baptist Believer

It is sad to me that the only way some people can build up their postion is by tearing down things they know absolutely nothing about.

I can personally vouch for both Dallas Baptist and Hardin Simmons as outstanding universities. I am personally aquinted with professors and adminsitrators at each school. I friends daugther just graduated from Hardin Simmons and is now at SWBTS. She received an outstanding education, and is theologically conservative.

Keep up the good work

 

No need to apologize Baptist Believer. Even Christ expressed indignation at times. Unfortunately, there is a dark shadow over Baptist work, whether it be SBC, SBTC or BGCT!

 

Indignation is one thing. A personal attack is quite another.

Let's stick to discussing the facts and opinions and leave the vituperation out of it.

 

I agree with Tom. I'm speaking as a moderator on this forum, not as an individual poster.

Baptist Believer--Generally when one apologizes for something one simply...

apologizes and then asks for forgivness, and does not go on to justify one's actions and continue to promote one's position in the same breath.

I'll it say again... argue the facts and leave off with the personal attacks. Let's keep it civil folks.

Yours in Christ,

BibleboyII

 

Amen!!

 

I agree with Tom. I'm speaking as a moderator on this forum, not as an individual poster. </font>[/QUOTE]And I agree with both of you.

Which I did where I thought I could possibly be wrong or my words construed the wrong way.

If someone makes false accusations against my friends, my family, and good people I know and I do not confront the false accusations, I’m not much of a person. Too many people have been telling too many lies about their Christian brothers and sisters for too long now… If Christians won’t stand up for truth, who will?

For the record, I have stood up for people on “the other side” when they are falsely accused as well – I’ve taken quite a bit of heat for it too.

Amen!