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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I would like for Catholics to respond and tell me what you think about this:

    We all saw Cardinal Law in the place of honor at the Pope's funeral. And, I understand he will be one of the Cardinals voting for the next Pope. Does this make you angry? Or, are you ok with this?

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    Law is the guy who covered up the sexcrimes of a large number of priests in the US for a considerable number of years right?
     
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    Well, I'm not Catholic, but if I were it would make me angry.

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    What would REALLY make ME mad is when they want to make sure you're dead, they hit you in the forehead with a silver hammer!
     
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    Diane, that was FUNNYLOLROF!!!


    [​IMG] :D I guess if he wasn't dead, and they wanted him to be, they just hit him harder!!! [​IMG]

    Tam
     
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    There's gotta be a good redneck joke in there somewhere Tam! [​IMG]
     
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    Greetings,

    Cardinal Law in a congregation Praying. No problem here. We are a church of Sinners who NEED Jesus Christ for our salvation. Everyone may be perfect in YOUR congregation, but we still NEED Jesus Christ, and the Mercy and grace of God. Even Cardinal Law is welcome to be with us. In Fact, we even Do prison ministry because There is NO irredeemable People. They are important enough to be Lifted by God to be his children of Grace so If God can exalt criminals, then we can have them present at the Pope's funeral.

    peace
     
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    Cardinal Law in a place of honor at the funeral, and then voting for the next Pope? That is ok with you?

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    One and the same. Correct.

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    Yes, OK with me for him to officiate at a Mass for the Pope and to vote. Like TP says we are all sinners. Even Pope John Paul II was a sinner, and frequently confessed his sins. Cardinal Law as a Cardinal has the right to vote for the next Pope, regardless of how many sins he has committed in his lifetime or how many people are angry how he handled the sexual abuse cases. As Jesus taught us to pray: “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. Forgiveness is a major part of the gospel.
     
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    Makes no difference to me. His is but ONE vote of about 100 or so. Big deal.
    They could vote for Jimmy Carter for all I care. :rolleyes: It won't affect me nor will it affect much in world politics for all things will degrade just as they have been foretold.

    In HIS service;
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    Yes forgiveness is a major part of the the gospel, but leaders of the church have some requirements. Remember this.....

    Titus 1:7-9 For an overseer(Bishop in KJV), as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.
    He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

    Cardinal Law fails the REQUIREMENTS! The Bible says "MUST BE above reproach, upright, and Holy". This is not optional. Yes, our sins are forgiven by God's grace and the blood of Jesus, but Cardinal Law is no exception to the rules. He should not be a leader of a church! This is not a hard thing to figure out. Why does the Catholic church insist on ignoring God's rules??? The man is still sitting in a very high leadership position in the Catholic church. WHY????????
     
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    Probably because he has asked for forgiveness "To all those who have suffered from my shortcomings and mistakes, I both apologize and from them beg forgiveness." (Law) We are all sinners even Popes and Cardinals. Scripture says we are to be holy as our heavenly Father is holy. When we fail, we must seek forgiveness.
     
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    Did he really repent? Or did he just get caught?

    My last memory (and granted, my memory is getting worse the older I get) was of him defending his actions of staying silent about the pedohpile priests and covering up their abuse of children.

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    O.K. Here's a question for the Catholics here. I'm sure this probably won't happen, but what IFCardinal Law was elected as the next pope??

    How would you feel about that?? As I understand it, he would be elegable. :eek:

    Selah,

    Tam
     
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    What level of abuse and criminal activity would preclude someone from being a high level spiritual leader in your church?

    I know the wicked popes of the dark ages were called even by the RCC historians "monsters" and fellow popes called them "Antichrist" and something-or-other "of the devil" -- is that simply pointing out that "there is no limit"?
     
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    What would any of you think if the next Cardinal, voted to be the Pope, has a Jewish background?

    I saw a list the other day that listed the nationalities of the next Pope to be elected. One of them was Jewish. It could have been on the BB, I don't remember.

    Any comments?

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    If a Cardinal is convicted of criminal behavior he should go to prison like anyone else. If he is believed to be a danger to anyone he should not be an acting in the world as a bishop or priest. If he has a mental problem that interfers with his duties he should be retired regardless of his penitence. There are probably many other reasons also that don't come to mind.

    As far as a Pope who is of Jewish heritage or background, that would be wonderful. Jesus Christ Himself was Jewish, so was St. Peter.
     
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    Kind on makes you wonder why JPII would be so lenient on pedophiles. After all he was an actor, poet, ahhh maybe I am overreacting.
     

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