Channukah

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    Samuel Owen quoted, “There is another day that is celebrated by Israel, Channukah. It begins 75 days after the Day of Atonement [the 25th day of the ninth month - or in our December] and lasts for 8 days. Channukah is not mentioned in the Old Testament, because it began to be celebrated during the period between the Old Testament and New Testament. Basically, it is a celebration of the cleansing of the Temple after the Jews defeated Antiochus Epiphanius. Antiochus was a Syrian King who invaded Jerusalem, defiled the Temple by placing an image of Zeus in the Temple, and offering a pig on the altar. He persecuted the Jewish people terribly, and they began a gorilla resistance against him. Eventually, they recaptured Jerusalem, and immediately set about to cleanse the Temple. So, in essence, this is the celebration of the cleansing and rededication of the Temple to God. It is referred to one time in the New Testament, where Jesus was present in Jerusalem for Channukah.

    John 10:22-23
    22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
    23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch. (KJV)
    That Channukah is always 75 days after The Day of Atonement may be related to an interesting prophecy in Daniel.
    Dan 12:12
    12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
    (KJV)

    1,335 days is exactly 75 days more than the 1260 days that Antichrist will reign. So, if the Antichrist is destroyed on the Day of Atonement, then the extra 75 days lands us directly on the first day of Channukah. It seems likely this has to do with the rededication of the Millennial Temple, from which Christ will rule.
     
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    Channukah - Feast of the Cleansing of the Sanctuary

    If I could change the thread to the Feast of the Cleansing of the Sanctuary, maybe someone might notice it?
     
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    From posts on Living Waters Forum

    By ‘Phillip’

    Chanukah means 'dedication'. Yet, today's Chanukah is VERY different than the original 'feast of dedication'. Let's walk through the scriptural accounts of the dedication of the altar and see just how it compares to the way Jews observe Chanukah today.

    How did we go from 'altar' dedication according to the approval and desire of the Lord, to an '8' stick chanukiah, and a Menorah that was miraculously filled by '1' cruse of oil? How did it stretch from God ordained to a meggilah (tale or telling).


    The First Feast of Dedication:

    Numbers 7

    1 On the day when Moses had finished setting up the tabernacle and had anointed and consecrated it with all its furnishings and had anointed and consecrated the altar with all its utensils,

    2 the chiefs of Israel, heads of their fathers' houses, who were the chiefs of the tribes, who were over those who were listed, approached 3 and brought their offerings before the Lord, six wagons and twelve oxen, a wagon for every two of the chiefs, and for each one an ox. They brought them before the tabernacle.

    4 Then the Lord said to Moses, 5 Accept these from them, that they may be used in the service of the tent of meeting, and give them to the Levites, to each man according to his service.

    6 So Moses took the wagons and the oxen and gave them to the Levites. 7 Two wagons and four oxen he gave to the sons of Gershon, according to their service. 8 And four wagons and eight oxen he gave to the sons of Merari, according to their service, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest. 9 But to the sons of Kohath he gave none, because they were charged with the service of the holy things that had to be carried on the shoulder.

    10 And
    the chiefs offered offerings for the dedication of the altar
    on the day it was anointed; and the chiefs offered their offering before the altar.

    11 And the Lord said to Moses, They shall offer their offerings, one chief each day, for the dedication of the altar.

    On the First day of Chanukah:
    12 He who offered his offering the first day was Nahshon the son of Amminadab, of the tribe of Judah. 13 And his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 14 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 15 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 16 one male goat for a sin offering; 17 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Nahshon the son of Amminadab.
    On the Second day of Chanukah:
    18 On the second day Nethanel the son of Zuar, the chief of Issachar, made an offering. 19 He offered for his offering one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 20 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 21 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 22 one male goat for a sin offering; 23 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Nethanel the son of Zuar.

    On the Third day of Chanukah:
    24 On the third day Eliab the son of Helon, the chief of the people of Zebulun: 25 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 26 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 27 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 28 one male goat for a sin offering; 29 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Eliab the son of Helon.

    On the Fourth day of Chanukah:
    30 On the fourth day Elizur the son of Shedeur, the chief of the people of Reuben: 31 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 32 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 33 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 34 one male goat for a sin offering; 35 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Elizur the son of Shedeur.

    On the Fifth day of Chanukah:
    36 On the fifth day Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai, the chief of the people of Simeon: 37 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 38 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 39 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 40 one male goat for a sin offering; 41 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai.

    On the Sixth day of Chanukah:
    42 On the sixth day Eliasaph the son of Deuel, the chief of the people of Gad: 43 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 44 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 45 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 46 one male goat for a sin offering; 47 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Eliasaph the son of Deuel.

    On the Seventh day of Chanukah:
    48 On the seventh day Elishama the son of Ammihud, the chief of the people of Ephraim: 49 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 50 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 51 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 52 one male goat for a sin offering; 53 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Elishama the son of Ammihud.


     
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    On the Eighth day of Chanukah:
    54 On the eighth day Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur, the chief of the people of Manasseh: 55 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 56 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 57 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 58 one male goat for a sin offering; 59 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur.

    On the Ninth day of Chanukah:
    60 On the ninth day Abidan the son of Gideoni, the chief of the people of Benjamin: 61 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 62 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 63 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 64 one male goat for a sin offering; 65 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Abidan the son of Gideoni.

    On the Tenth day of Chanukah:
    66 On the tenth day Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai, the chief of the people of Dan: 67 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 68 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 69 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 70 one male goat for a sin offering; 71 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai.

    On the Eleventh day of Chanukah:
    72 On the eleventh day Pagiel the son of Ochran, the chief of the people of Asher: 73 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 74 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 75 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 76 one male goat for a sin offering; 77 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Pagiel the son of Ochran.

    On the Twelfth day of Chanukah:
    78 On the twelfth day Ahira the son of Enan, the chief of the people of Naphtali: 79 his offering was one silver plate whose weight was 130 shekels, one silver basin of 70 shekels, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, both of them full of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering; 80 one golden dish of 10 shekels, full of incense; 81 one bull from the herd, one ram, one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 82 one male goat for a sin offering; 83 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Ahira the son of Enan.


    84
    This was the dedication offering for the altar on the day when it was anointed, from the chiefs of Israel: twelve silver plates, twelve silver basins, twelve golden dishes, 85 each silver plate weighing 130 shekels and each basin 70, all the silver of the vessels 2,400 shekels according to the shekel of the sanctuary, 86 the twelve golden dishes, full of incense, weighing 10 shekels apiece according to the shekel of the sanctuary, all the gold of the dishes being 120 shekels; 87 all the cattle for the burnt offering twelve bulls, twelve rams, twelve male lambs a year old, with their grain offering; and twelve male goats for a sin offering; 88 and all the cattle for the sacrifice of peace offerings twenty-four bulls, the rams sixty, the male goats sixty, the male lambs a year old sixty. This was the dedication offering for the altar after it was anointed.


    89 And when Moses went into the tent of meeting to speak with the Lord, he heard the voice speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the testimony, from between the two cherubim; and it spoke to him.

    So, what was the climax of the dedication?

    The Lord spoke to Moshe and he heard it.

    Notice the similarities with the '12' days of Christmas. Notice there are '12' days not '8'. Notice the offerings were all according to the Law of God as given through Moshe in Exodus.

    This feast is about the dedication of the first tabernacle and altar ordained by the Lord to Moshe and the people of Yisrael after they came out of Egypt.

    When was this Feast of Dedication held?

    On the day when Moses had finished setting up the tabernacle. This would have been the 'first' month of the year for them. Nissan/Aviv. And we know they dedicated it before the 14th of the month, because that would be pesach and the feast of unleavened bread, Aviv 1- 12 (mar/apr)

    What happened during the Feast?

    The Chiefs of Yisrael brought their offerings before the Lord, before the tabernacle. Then the chiefs of Yisrael offered their offerings before the altar.

    When?

    On the day it (the altar) was anointed.

    What was the Lords response?

    He said to Moses, They shall offer their offerings, one chief each day.

    How long was the Feast?
    12 days


    So from the wilderness, the next mention of dedication of the altar is here in Chronicles. Some differences we find are, Solomon only holds it for '7' days instead of '12'


     
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    The Second Feast of Dedication:

    2 Chronicles 7:1-11
    1 As soon as Solomon finished his prayer, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the Lord filled the temple. 2 And the priests could not enter the house of the Lord, because the glory of the Lord filled the Lord's house.

    3 When all the people of Israel saw the fire come down and the glory of the Lord on the temple, they bowed down with their faces to the ground on the pavement and worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord, saying, For he is good, for his steadfast love endures forever.

    4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifice before the Lord. 5 King Solomon offered as a sacrifice 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. So the king and all the people dedicated the house of God. 6 The priests stood at their posts; the Levites also, with the instruments for music to the Lord that King David had made for giving thanks to the Lord “for his steadfast love endures forever “whenever David offered praises by their ministry;opposite them the priests sounded trumpets, and all Israel stood.

    7 And Solomon consecrated the middle of the court that was before the house of the Lord, for there he offered the burnt offering and the fat of the peace offerings, because the bronze altar Solomon had made could not hold the burnt offering and the grain offering and the fat.

    8 At that time Solomon held the feast for seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great assembly, from Lebo-hamath to the Brook of Egypt. 9 And on the eighth day they held a solemn assembly, for they had kept the dedication of the altar seven days and the feast seven days.

    10 On the twenty-third day of the seventh month he sent the people away to their homes, joyful and glad of heart for the prosperity that the Lord had granted to David and to Solomon and to Israel his people. 11 Thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord and the king's house. All that Solomon had planned to do in the house of the Lord and in his own house he successfully accomplished.

    When was this dedication?
    Tishri 17-23 (sept/oct)

    Notice the differences here. '7' days instead of '12' or '8'. If Moshe held the first dedication for 12 days, because of the 12 tribes, why is Solomon only dedicating for '7'? I love the part about not having enough room on the altar to offer everything, so he consecrates the floor in the middle of the temple.

    Did 'all the people' offer 12 tribes of offerings in 7 days? It says 'all the people offered' so this would be the same group as before, all the 12 tribes. But here they offer in 7, not 12 days. And notice the lack of 'the Lord said' in this part of scripture. The only interaction here between Solomon and the Lord was the Lord's presence (glory). We don't have mention of the Lord ordering or condoning the offerings as before.

    What was the reason for this dedication?

    1 Chronicles 6
    4 And he said, Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, who with his hand has fulfilled what he promised with his mouth to David my father, saying, 5 Since the day that I brought my people out of the land of Egypt, I chose no city out of all the tribes of Israel in which to build a house, that my name might be there, and I chose no man as prince over my people Israel; 6 but I have chosen Jerusalem that my name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over my people Israel.

    7 Now it was in the heart of David my father to build a house for the name of the Lord, the God of Israel. 8 But the Lord said to David my father,

    Whereas it was in your heart to build a house for my name, you did well that it was in your heart.

    9 Nevertheless, it is not you who shall build the house, but your son who shall be born to you shall build the house for my name. 10 Now the Lord has fulfilled his promise that he made. For I have risen in the place of David my father and sit on the throne of Israel, as the Lord promised, and I have built the house for the name of the Lord, the God of Israel. 11 And there I have set the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord that he made with the people of Israel.

    (This was the heart of David, that the Lord replied, 'you did well that 'this' was your heart')

    12 Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel and spread out his hands. 13 Solomon had made a bronze platform five cubits long, five cubits wide, and three cubits high, and had set it in the court, and he stood on it. Then he knelt on his knees in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven, 14 and said, O Lord, God of Israel, there is no God like you, in heaven or on earth, keeping covenant and showing steadfast love to your servants who walk before you with all their heart, 15 who have kept with your servant David my father what you declared to him.

    (The reason I include this is to notice that Shlomo started his prayer, that leads to the glory of the Lord filling the temple, with what appears to resemble at least to me, the mi'chamocha.

    Mi'chamocha, ba'elim Adonai...... Who is like you, Adonai, among other gods? Who is like you, glorious in holiness, awesome in praises, doing miracles?

    The reason for this Feast of Dedication was to dedicate the altar in it's new 'promised' temple.

    How long was this feast?
    7 Days
     
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    The Third Feast of Dedication:

    Ezra 6
    15 and this house was finished on the third day of the month of Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

    16 And the people of Israel, the priests and the Levites, and the rest of the returned exiles, celebrated the dedication of this house of God with joy. 17 They offered at the dedication of this house of God 100 bulls, 200 rams, 400 lambs, and as a sin offering for all Israel 12 male goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel.
    Here we don't have much info, and this is our last scriptural account in the Tenach about the dedication of the temple.

    This was the dedication after the babylonian exile. We can read about this temple being built and how it's utensils where acquired in the book of Ezra.

    After the completion of the 2nd temple they held a feast. As was the pattern set up by the Lord. The dedication of the altar.

    This temple was said to NOT have the glory of the first, or the tabernacle. It is this temple that was 'improved' upon by the hasmonian Jews. It would be a remodel of this temple that Yeshua would have walked and taught in.


    There is no other mention of this feast in the Tenakh (someone correct me if I am in error). Which leads us to the mention of this feast in the book of John.


    John 10:22-38
    22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon.

    This feast is defined as occuring in 'winter'. Why? because Yeshua observed a 'Hasmonian' chanukah.

    Ezra's feast was said to be in 'Adar', feb/mar our calender. Why? Because this was the time God brought them out of Babylon and allowed them to rebuild the city and the temple.

    Solomon's feast was said to be in 'the seventh' month, or Tishri, sept/oct our calendar. Why? Because that is when Solomon completed the 'promised' temple and dedicated the altar.

    Moshe was told to erect and anoint the tabernacle on 'the first' month, or Nissan, mar/apr our calendar.

    So we have this feast observed biblically:
    mar/apr
    sept/oct
    feb/mar

    So why did John state this feast was 'in winter'? Yeshua was attending a 'hasmonian' observation of chanukah. Which leads me to the next feast. The macabees and the reason Yeshua observed Chanukah 'in winter'.


    In around 164 BC Antiocus Ephinious desecrated the temple as Daniel prophesied would happen. He offered pigs on it and forced Yisrael to do the same. The Macabees formed a revolt and by 167 BC had taken back the temple. This would be the Macabee revolt that formed what we know today as our Chanukah, or feast of dedication of the altar.

    The account is only mentioned in a deuteron-canonical text, or writings not seen as 'authoritative' by the Jews. Like our apocrypha. Extra biblical books.

    And here is the account from 1 Macabee 4

    4:54 Look, at what time and what day the heathen had profaned it, even in that was it dedicated with songs, and citherns, and harps, and cymbals.
    4:55 Then all the people fell upon their faces, worshipping and praising the God of heaven, who had given them good success.
    4:56 And so they kept the dedication of the altar eight days and offered burnt offerings with gladness, and sacrificed the sacrifice of deliverance and praise.
    4:57 They decked also the forefront of the temple with crowns of gold, and with shields; and the gates and the chambers they renewed, and hanged doors upon them.
    4:58 Thus was there very great gladness among the people, for that the reproach of the heathen was put away.
    4:59 Moreover Judas and his brethren with the whole congregation of Israel ordained, that the days of the dedication of the altar should be kept in their season from year to year by the space of eight days, from the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, with mirth and gladness.

    Where is the miracle of the oil? It's not here, because it is only found in the talmud. And that only once.

    THIS would have been the festival that Yehsua was entertaining. It would have been in winter, because of this 'ordinance' that was implaced just 167 yrs before his coming, and would have been around for almost 200 years. Around as long as our declaration of independence is today, about.

    Yet, the candles, the driedles, the latka's, the gelt, the gift giving......... THIS is TRADITION!!!!


     
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    Q:
    I guess my real question would be:
    Can we celebrate chanukah? The way the Lord ordained? Even the way Yeshua observed in his day? Are we commanded, ordained, and lead by the Lord "Today" to 'observe' these things? And if so, how? Without a nation, nor a temple.

    Are we not 'citizens' of heaven, not earth? Is our kingdom here, of this world, or is it in heaven, and of God? Has not the ruler of this world come? And can we not follow Yeshua where he is, and will he not come back and live with us forever? Or has he left us orphaned, with only a book to tell the way?

    O.k. I guess that was more than 'a' question.



    Q:
    Chanukah AND the feast of dedication, ....hmmm

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17
    16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

    6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

    And what is our 'anointing'?

    John 20
    As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.

    What was Yehsua's anointing?

    Lu 4:18
    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,

    Ac 10:38
    how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

    So just how has the Lord anointed his temple today?

    We are the temple of God, and we are anointed by the Spirit of God to ...............

    How have we been rededicated to God? And how many offering s will he accept or require?

    Rom 6:19
    For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

    Romans 12
    1 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. 2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

    John 14:15-17
    15 If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

    Thank you Lord for anointing your temple with your Spirit, for filling your temple with the glory of the Lord. Thank you Yeshua for redeeming me, your altar of love.

    Q:

    Thanks for the study, Shimshon. I see Chanukah as a picture of us being born again. Just as the Temple was defiled and needed to be rededicated to YHWH, so our temples were defiled by sin and needed to be rededicated (born again). I'm not much for tradition but I enjoy seeing the symbolism in the feasts; including this one.


    Quote:

    Are we not 'citizens' of heaven, not earth? Is our kingdom here, of this world, or is it in heaven, and of God? Has not the ruler of this world come? And can we not follow Yeshua where he is, and will he not come back and live with us forever? Or has he left us orphaned, with only a book to tell the way?

    John 14.
    Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
    4 And you know the way to where I am going.
    6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.
    12 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
    15 If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
    18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
    25 These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

    Not orphans, left with the Spirit of Truth that will remain with us forever, who teaches us all things and brings us to remember all that Yeshua has said.




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