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"With the type of cake they came in for"? So you would witness to them, and STILL give them a cake that mocks Jesus?

 

What if they insist they still want the cake that mocks Jesus? Would you make it for them?

You can answer with yes or no. No need to beat around the bush.

 

Now Don, I said they are not going to mind not leaving with the type of cake they came in for.

So no, they are not getting a cake that mocks Jesus. People who ask for such things are like atheists. I don't know a single atheists who has not gone through some truly rough times to the point that they can only take control back by denying God.

 

I did answer. They WILL NOT want the cake when we're done. This is part of the problem with the Body of Christ. We doubt the power of the Holy Spirit.

Love covers a multitude of sins and you will be surprised how quickly you can defuse someone's anger and hurt by showing them that you unconditionally love and care for them.

That involves listening.

So hear me when I say it to you Matt. They will no longer want that cake. :laugh:

 

God saves on his time, not yours.

What if they still wanted the cake?

 

Spoken like someone who is listening to politics and not to Jesus. And I might add, that it's this kind of funky attitude that keeps people at bay from the Body of Christ.

Learn how to listen. Stop speaking and listen to an All-Knowing Holy Spirit.

Oh ye of little faith. No weapon formed against me will prosper. You just don't know how to direct a conversation. That's why you get out of the way and let the Holy Spirit have Its way.

Why not. She's in business. She doesn't have to discuss her practices. The people of Christ have got to be about Christ. If someone wants to interview you, straight to the Cross.

We've just been so hypocritical in our practices that it's hard to do.

And she could have been all the more persistent in sharing the Gospel.

What was their policy? Did they host other unmarried couples or was it just gay couples they wouldn't host?

It is too about evangelism. Everything we do is about evangelism and being a witness. Otherwise, there's no reason for us to be here. Christians are targeted everyday. Gosh you act as though you haven't read Scripture where they kept trying to trap Christ.

If they want to present you as a hateful bigot, then my gosh, don't act like one for them.

It will matter. It always matters. Some of you are just to the point that you're angry about everything and have forgotten that Jesus demands that we respond in love. Not in anger. Not in sarcasm. Not in cynicism. Not in jadedness. But in LOVE.

 

I didn't say anything about salvation.

They won't.

 

HOW many times does this need to be answered.

"I don't want to make you a cake."

Why not?

"I don't want to make you a cake."

But you have to tell me why you won't make me a cake.

"I don't want to make you a cake."

"I don't want to make you a cake."

"I don't want to make you a cake."

"There is another baker 5 blocks from here. Here's the directions. Have a nice day"

Trust me, I wouldn't give a reason, I'd just keep saying, "I don't want to make you a cake."

 

You disappoint me.

 

Thank you ITL. I keep wondering why the reason has to even enter the conversation. If someone wants to frame the conversation as such, you either take the conversation to something else or explain that I don't want to make that cake.

 

I'm sorry. But you're looking for an answer that satisfies Matt. I'm giving the answer that I already know will be the outcome when the Holy Spirit starts to deal with the real reason they are asking for the cake in the first place.

 

Yes. After answering "I don't want to make you a cake" several times, I might say, "Let's talk about why you want a cake with this message made. Why to you want to make this cake?"

 

GoFundMe account is up to 572K at this point. Forget the restaurant, maybe they can retire to a nice island somewhere that needs some missionaries to make pizza and share Christ!

 

Interesting how none of us know anything about the other places that the news crew interviewed, who apparently followed Zaac's advice; but the one that stood firm for Christ has apparently been blessed ten-fold....

 

I wonder if they will carve out 10% of that.

 

You're listening to Scarlett and your own desire that believes that their motives couldn't have been for anything other than what you want to believe. There's always room to take it to the Cross.

He also said they should love.

We must also be cognizant that if we are making ourselves look unloving, it also discredits Christ.

And what sin is there in baking a cake?

I didn't say they weren't premeditated or anything else. But if you and everyone else is seeing this, then respond like Jesus.

Nobody asked a Christian to hide his beliefs. But if it is truly a belief, it should be practiced with some degree of consistency. If you're dealing with the public, you don't get to decide that because of a specific sin that you don't like, that you're not going to provide the good or service to someone. AT least not without public consequences.

Treat people the same.

And as a follower of Christ, I speak to HIS truth. No I wouldn't cater a "gay wedding" because Biblically there's no such thing.

Who did that? The woman at the pizza place? The man who wouldn't bake the wedding cake? The couple in England who wouldn't allow gay couples to spend romantic weekends at their bed-and-breakfast?

Who acted like a hateful bigot?[/QUOTE]

 

Why dont gays MAN UP and go to a Muslim bakery and demand one?

 

Yep. When you present yourself as someone who won't provide a good or service to someone because of a specific sin, yeah you do look like a hateful bigot unless you're treating all sin the same.

So to claim it's against my religious beliefs to make a cake for a gay wedding fails the sniff test of discrimination if you're making cakes for other folks who sin. So I say again, don't make any cakes for barmitzvahs, for the birthdays of adulterers, for the Friday afternoon office party full of liars and thieves, and then claiming I don't make cakes for things that go against my religious beliefs passes muster.

I don't believe it does in this instance.

And so I say again, instead of talking about religious beliefs, talk about what God's word ACTUALLY says.

There is no such thing as a gay wedding Biblically. So I can't speak to something that doesn't exist.:thumbsup: