Christian Singer to sing at Dallas Homosexual Church

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  1. Flippo

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    Hello,

    Just heard in the car about a supposed Christian Singer (Cynthia Clawson) who has agreed to sing at a large homosexual church in Dallas. I ggot this info from the radio program Crosstalk that is put on by VCY America.
    I think it is disgusting and that all it does is put her stamp of approval on this vile lifestyle (homosexuality).
    :mad:
    Phil
     
  2. BrianT

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    How does singing "put her stamp of approval" on homosexuality? Maybe God is going to use her there to move sinning people to repent. Pray for her, don't condemn her!
     
  3. Baptist Believer

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    Would Jesus accept an invitation to that church?

    I think he would.

    If I were invited to preach at that church, I would go as well.

    Let's pray for her. [​IMG]
     
  4. Flippo

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    Do you really think her singing at their services
    is going to change their minds? Do you really think that is her intent? If it was, she would not have been invited to sing in the first place.
    Lets say I am an independent contractor for repairing movie projectors, would I be OK in accepting the job to repair projectors in an adult theater?

    Phil
     
  5. BrianT

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    It's possible. Anything is possible with God.

    I have no idea, and neither do you. Besides, it's irrelevant - God can move anyways. [​IMG]

    Probably not. Repairing projectors directly creates conditions in which more adult movies can be shown. Singing does not directly create conditions in which more homosexual sin can take place.
     
  6. Pastor Larry

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    Brian,

    Do you honestly think she is being brought there to confront them about their sin of homosexuality?? Or to "bless" them in it?? I don't think we can seriously argue that she is going there to confront them and rebuke them. She is going there with the understanding that she will "take their side." We should not be defending open rebellion against God, whether it is in homosexuality or in condoning those who are homosexuals. This woman, if she goes, is in clear and open rebellion against God, unless she confronts them and calls them to repentance and abandonment of their ungodly lifestyle.
     
  7. Baptist Believer

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    Maybe, maybe not. It’s God’s business to quicken their spirits and change their hearts.

    I don’t know her intent. Neither do you.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    While everyone of my friend knows my position on homosexuality, I have two friends who consider themselves homosexual. I am very close to one of them and we usually go to dinner at least two or three times a month. As far as I know, he is celibate, but struggles with temptation. He has been a Christian for 18 years and has faced quite a bit of rejection from Christians during that time. Many Baptist churches are not friendly at all to singles who are over 30 years old and tend to exclude people who are a little different.

    This same friend has attended the church you are likely referencing (the largest predominantly “gay” church in Dallas) and was impressed by the level of acceptance he received there and the serious nature of the pursuit of God. While I certainly disagree with some of what that church stands for, I also know that God has mercy on people who are far from respectable.

    God extends grace to those with empty hands.
     
  8. BrianT

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    Who cares? God can move regardless, if that's why he predestined her to accept the invitation to sing. ;) The motive is irrelevant, God can turn things intended for evil to goodness.

    Really? How do you know this?

    I once fixed a computer for an Islamic charity. Sorry to disappoint, but I was not in open rebellion against God.
     
  9. Flippo

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    Just because he feels more accepted ( no kidding!) doesn't make it right for him to go to that church. Before we go on, I do not think homosexuality is the unpardonable sin and that it is any worse than premarital sex or adultery. I do believe that like any other sin it needs to be repented of. I believe Biblically sound preaching from the Bible can and does change hearts, but like Pastor Larry said, she is not going there to confront homosexuality (you wouldn't invite Marilyn Manson to sing at your church knowing he stands against everything you believe in. And don't say it would give you the chance to witness to him, in that case just invite him to church but not to sing!)
     
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    Cynthya Clawson is not a "supposed" Christian. She is most definitely Christian. In the spirit of Jesus dining with the sinners, I'd say that singing there does not equate to endorsement. Were that the case, no Baptist preacher should ever speak at a church that practices infant Baptism.

    She's got a gift of singing for the Lord. Let her share that wherever she has the opportunity.
     
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    Are we still allowed to have these discussions in the open forums?

    Joshua
     
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    Who cares? What an utterly pathetic response, I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but I am sick and tired of that attitude which suggests as Christians we can just disregard Scripture and do what we want because, 'God will use us anyway'.

    If it's meant as a dig at Calvinism its not effective anyway, Calvinists don't believe that we are predestined to disobey God.

    I'm not one for constantly bashing homosexuals, I don't look at them any differently than I would look at someone who is committing adultery. However, I do feel that this woman is wrong to participate in this service.
     
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    Who cares? What an utterly pathetic response, I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but I am sick and tired of that attitude which suggests as Christians we can just disregard Scripture and do what we want because, 'God will use us anyway'.

    If it's meant as a dig at Calvinism its not effective anyway, Calvinists don't believe that we are predestined to disobey God.

    I'm not one for constantly bashing homosexuals, I don't look at them any differently than I would look at someone who is committing adultery. However, I do feel that this woman is wrong to participate in this service.
    </font>[/QUOTE]How about the attitude of "I know what's going on in her heart and because she's doing this she's obviously got to be in sin"?

    Or, how about, "I disregard the fact that I don't know the entire situation and judge her anyways"?
     
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    I'm familiar with her music, as she does a lot of things with KeyLife.

    The Gospel message is presented loud and clear in her songs. If this church and it's people are as bad as you all say they are, God bless her for sharing the Gospel there.
     
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    Amen! Well said, Mike! [​IMG]
     
  16. DanielFive

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    Umm, and there's another attitude that I'm sick and tired of. Christians can't disagree with anything these days without this constant accusation that we are being judgemental.

    Just for you Adopted Daughter here's something I read earlier today:

    Ps.141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be (for them)in their calamities.

    When someone confronts you about a sin or fault in such a way that you feel "caught", but the sin you are accused of looks SO defamatory that it frightens you; are you willing to yield and seek repentance out and away from your sin? Or are you more likely to be outraged, that some other "imperfect person" dares to find fault with you? When someone continues to remind you of your "besetting sin", can you just say "Amen, Lord have mercy", or do you seek opportunity for revenge? Do you invite reproof as a kindness, an excellent oil? Or do you like to think that only a self-righteous and critical person would ever dare to criticize you? Is it so, that anyone who dares to mention your "mote in your eye ", ought to be immediately reminded that their attempt to reprove you is only the evidence of the "beam in their own eye "?

    Jesus prophesied, "Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." One of the most visible evidences of the fulfillment of this prophecy is that even among Christians, reproof is not welcome. Do you ever submit to reproof from anyone who has no carnal power to punish you for resisting? Are you unwilling to confront anyone else for their sins or errors, unless you are sure that there is no way for them punish you for doing so? Do you "fellowship in the light", or are you party to a multitude of "unspoken agreements", in which you will tolerate someone else's faults and errors, if only they will tolerate YOURS?

    If someone complains about the terrible circumstances of their life, almost everyone will volunteer to pray for them, but only so they can escape from the inquiry into WHY such trouble came. If, as is usually expected, there is no answer to their prayer, they can remember that they prayed and excuse themselves from any further involvement. Even if the connection between this person's sins and the consequences of his sins are clearly seen, there will probably be no open rebuke for fear of reprisals. If they face this troubled person again, they can always reassure them that God loves them, thereby making it "all God's fault", Who supposedly, didn't do anything to help. But what we really have here, is the case in which God did intervene by placing the word of correction in YOUR heart and mouth, even though He knew you wouldn't risk that other person's wrath by confronting them. So, in the end, you are judged as unfaithful and cowardly for failing to confront your brother, and the word of reproof is denied to the brother who needed to hear it because he was unteachable. Besides, it is now commonly held, that anyone who would be so bold as to point out to someone else their sins has no love, or is guilty of unrighteous judging.

    Prov.15:31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
     
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    I sure don't think so.
     
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    Does this happen to be City Church? A while back I stumbled onto their website.
     
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    Umm, and there's another attitude that I'm sick and tired of. Christians can't disagree with anything these days without this constant accusation that we are being judgemental.</font>[/QUOTE]What I'm tired of is people who judge without knowing the whole situation. One side of the story almost always looks worse than the other, and it is that side that we run with.

    I don't know the entire story, but I think it's worse to judge in ignorance than to not judge at all...over even arguing about it.
     
  20. JamesJ

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    I would like to remind the bretheren of the scriptures 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and Ezekiel 33 (the whole chapter).

    We are called to judge those who name the name of Christ. Those who are of the world, it's up to God.
     

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