"Christian's Don't Sin" part 2

Why ask Amy something you refuse to accept or understand. You refuse her teaching before the explanation comes.
The problem is not in her explanation. The problem is in your unbelief in eternal security or OSAS. As long as you reject that doctrine you will never accept what we are trying to teach here. Thus your part in this discussion is fruitless. It is based on a belief in eternal security. Accept eternal security first, and then take part in this discussion. Otherwise participation in it is of little value.

 

Bob, they didn't need to be clothed. Think about it.
First they were naked. The only reason they clothed themselves was because of their shame. Climate had nothing to do with it.
Second when they did sin, they clothed themselves with fig leaves. There are people in some tribes that live in tropical areas that clothe themselves to this day using leaves and other such materials. The fig leaves weren't the problem. They lived in a tropical paradise created by God. There were no harsh winters. Climate wasn't a factor. They had already clothed themselves.
God didn't make coats of skins for anyone else.

Why Adam and Eve? Why did they need "coats of skins"? There was only one way to obtain them. This wasn't for clothing, except it were for the clothing of their sin. Blood needed to be shed.

"Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin."
And so it was with Adam and Eve as well.

Cain and Abel brought sacrifices before the Lord.
Why was Cain's rejected and Abel's accepted?
What was the basic reason?
What was the nature of Abel's sacrifice?

 

They were clothed with sin. The shedding of blood was the first animal sacrifice, which did not take away sin, but was a shadow of things to come. Ultimately, it was the blood that cleansed us from sin, not animals.

Hebrew 10:



1: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2: For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3: But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

I live and die by the word of God.

BBob,

 

That is what we have been saying all along Bob. Now you are changing your tune and starting to agree with us. Note your previous post in #65:

Today you finally admit that the blood does save.
A few days ago you said that the blood did not save.
It saves; it cleanses us from all sin--in both the OT and in the NT.

Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.
Shedding of blood has always been required.

When one comes to Christ his sins are forgiven: past, present and future, because Christ's blood has been shed, and his blood is sufficient to cover all our sins, both big and little, no matter what they are, or when they have been committed.

 

For you to say, I have not stated that we are saved by the blood of Christ, is ridiculous and just plain ignornant.

Yes, His blood covers all of our sins, but the fact remains that the saved do not commit the grievous sins you say they do, therefore the blood of Christ is not needed to cover that sin, when it does not exist.

You take the scripture that the Blood of Christ covers all our sins, and apply it to all the sins that "so called christians" commit, such as adultery, incest, pedophiler, rapist of little girls or big ones, or even of other men. You make a mockery of the blood of Christ, to say such things.

No, I am not switching to your belief, I find it disgusting to say that Christs blood will cover your future sins, even if you die in the act of rape. I find it to be false doctrine, that will send men and women to hell, and is being taught all over the States. It is "new" compared to the original doctrine of "if you die in your sins, where I am, you cannot come", or "go and sin no more".

Now, this new passage that God does not see you sinning, but sees the righteous of Christ. Ignorant is the name for that!!

You are messed up, because the scripture says His blood cleanses us from all our sins. God expects you to go and sin no more. If you plan on keep committing adultery, you don't get any of the blood, God will not give it to you. You will die and go to Hell.

Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be made white as snow. They would of had to of already been committed. If you for one minute think you can have all your sins washed away, but keep on raping, killing, etc. "forget it" "it aint' gonna happen". You will still be just as bad of a sinner as you ever were and will pay for them in the judgement.

It does not say, "though your sins ARE GOING TO BE as scarlet. It says though your "sins BE as scarlet".

You don't seem to realize that you keep saying your sins will never be remembered against you, then you say that you can die an early death because of your sins. That is speaking BOTH ways and does not make any sense.

BBob,
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Here is truth:

Jesus said:
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Those who believe on Christ, He gives unto them eternal life, no questions asked.

It is a free gift, never to be taken back again.

Now tell me: at what point in life does eternal life become temporary life?
At what point does Christ stop telling the truth and start lying?

 

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Micah 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Acts 13:38-39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
--"All things" means all iniquities, all transgressions, all sins: past, present and future--all of them, none excepted. We are forgiven, justified, and our sins are remembered no more. That is Biblical teaching to be accepted by faith. When I forgive my child of a wrong he has committed, it is forgiven. I don't keep on bringing it up in his face every day. Forgiven means forgiven. It is buried; forgotten about; put away in the past. We move on.
And so it is with God, and He is much more faithful than a parent, and so much more perfect. We can count on His promises--all the time.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

DHK; you will be torn from limb to limb, using OT scriptures trying to defend OSAS. Why do you think Jesus came to start with, if the Old had been good enough. Man, you are losing this argument before you even start, using OT scripture.

BBob,

 

The entire Bible is inspired of God.
That being said, not all of my Scriptures are from the OT. My main argument comes from the NT, and that in both of my previous posts, both of them unanswered.

 

I find it odd that you want me to answer another person's post, but you are reluctant to answer my questions (post) directed to you.
Have you got a problem here?

 

There was no if, in the passage I quoted to you (John 5:24).
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
There is no "if."
It is unconditional. It is not conditioned on works or continued obedience.
If it were then Christ would be a liar, and eternal life would only be temporary.

 

What question? Are you referring to the question that you "directly" asked of Ann?
This one:

I already explained this to you once, using the example of a parent/child.

As a father forgives a child for a wrong, and does not keep on bringing it up day after day, but puts it in the past, and moves on; so our Heavenly Father forgives all of our sins. He puts them in them in the past never to be remembered again.

There is nothing that a child can do to, to be disowned by a father. His genes will always be the genes of his father. That fact will always be the same. He will always be his son. He will never be disinherited.

So it is with God. Once born again, it is impossible to be "unborn." Once in the family it is impossible to be out of the family. God's promises are more sure and permanent than that of a physical father.

When a child does wrong he is disciplined by his father; not kicked out of the family.
When a child of God does wrong he is chastened or disciplined by His Heavenly Father, not kicked out of the family, losing His salvation. To lose one's salvation is impossible. Eternal life cannot turn into temporary life. It is logically impossible. And if it could, it would make Christ a liar.