Christmas Bomber to be Offered 'Plea Bargain'

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/03/AR2010010302191.html?hpid=topnews

    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian charged with the failed attempt on the Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight, was initially "talking to people who detained him" but now has a public defender and "doesn't have to," John O. Brennan said on "Fox News Sunday."

    "We have different ways of obtaining information from individuals" in the criminal-justice process, Brennan said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "A lot of people . . . understand what they're facing, and their lawyers recognize that there is advantage to talking to us in terms of plea agreements, [and] we're going to pursue that." Brennan told CNN's "State of the Union" that other terrorism suspects have "given us very valuable information as they've gone through the plea-agreement process."
     
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    I wonder what kind of deal he'll be offered. The maximum sentence on the charge in the criminal complaint is 20 years in prison. Shoe bomber Richard Reid was origanalny charged with one count in a criminal complaint, but was later indicted on eight counts, plead guilty and was given a life sentence and eight $250,000 fines. My guess is the underwear bomber will be indicted on more charges when the case goes to a grand jury with a possible life sentence. Since no one died in this case, he can not get the death penalty, so the government can't use that as leverage to get him to talk. My best guess on the plea bargain is that he'll get a sentence for a term of years if he talks.
     
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    So we offer to lower the sentence or soften the charges in exchange for information we could have gotten through conventional interrogation outside the criminal justice system.

    Absolute insanity.

    A maximum sentence is called for, not a plea bargain.
     
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    In the federal system, the prosecutor can only request charges from a grand jury in felony cases, so the prosecutor does not technically have the final say on the charges. With that said, the grand jury does side with the prosecutor about 99.7% of the time. The sentence is up to the judge; he or she is not bound by the plea bargain and can impose a higher or lower sentence, but that's rare.
     
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    I say don't imprison him at all.

    Give him some explosives, put him in a vacant lot, and let him practice until he gets it right.
     
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    Here is the plea bargain. Do you want the bullet in the left temple or right temple?
     
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    So what? It seems, in your case, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    I'm trying to decide if you are as dense as you seem or being deliberately obtuse.

    I hope it's deliberate. I'd hate to think anyone could be that stupid.
     
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    I get that you want to put him in front of a military commission after he's coercively interrogated and you don't think he should be offered a plea bargain. Am I missing something?
     
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    He's not a citizen.

    He doesn't get citizen's rights.

    Basic law.

    At least, basic law for folks who don't want muslim terrorists blowing us up...
     
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    No, not basic law. Have you ever studied the law?
     
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    I managed to memorize the first three words of the Preamble...that ought to tell you something of this case.

    Besides, I only have 200+ years of US legal history on my side...you?
     
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    It's really dumb isn't it? This is what happens when we try to turn counter-terrorism warfare into a law enforcement response appropriate for criminal offenses. This terrorist's goal was to destroy the airplane killing everyone on it to put fear into the hearts of everyone - that's true terrorism. The trail should be by a military tribunal. The penalty for this his actions - assuming he's a guilty as all indications suggest - should be execution. Criminal law has no place in the matter and neither do civil courts.
     
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    The world is full of lawyers that have "studied" the law and figured out how to misuse it for purposes other than it was intended. They are indeed "smart" but not very "wise". They use the system to advance personal agenda, liberal causes, fame, power and financial gain. They corrupt the system. Some of these "lawyers" have and do hold office in our federal courts. The result is not justice at all. The ultimate result is injustice and a loss of confidence in our system of justice from the people that empowered it. "We the people" never intended to empower our mortal enemies to beat us in our own courts using our own law. The original "We" we run most of today's lawyer's out of the country which is what should happen.
     
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    Uh huh.

    An opportunity to actually address what you knew was the point of the topic.

    Instead you opted to take this opportunity to vainly demonstrate your limited knowledge of the criminal justice system and how little common sense you actually have.

    Have you put in that application yet?
     
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    Okay... and I disagree with you. What more do you want?

    That's nice to hear from someone who has never met me.

    Actually, yes. I applied with the Census Bureau.
     
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    Stick with it. Counting people might be more up your alley.
     
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    That's only a temp thing. It also pays well. Imagine me earning a pay check off of your tax money. However, one day I'll be a lawyer, God willing. Back to the actual topic, these terrorists are not soldiers; that would be giving them too much credit.
     
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    They are illegal combatants making war on the U.S. They are the reason the Military commissions act of 2006 was enacted.

    If Obama had any sense, he would be using it.

    Unless you grasp this concept, you should stick to counting people. The last thing we need is another brain dead attorney.
     
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    Do you tell that to Democrats or progressives in person? Do you have any liberal friends? I know for me, most of my family and some of my best friends are Republicans and we get along great, and no, we don't talk politics all the time. What I'm getting at is that there are really nice people out there who aren't "brain dead" or have "little common sense" who might disagree with you on politics. Just because someone is a "libbie" doesn't make them a bad person.
     
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    Every chance I get.

    I have no liberal friends and don't want any. Why would I want to be friends with baby killers, flag burners , military haters, freeloaders and thieves?
     

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